Pynchon was here first. from a WSJ review. Slipstream fiction.

[alice malice]

But Mr. Pynchon and the Professors and Critiques writing today are far
from the start of anything. Not sure Aristotle got this all started
either bu that's another point.


New Genres does not, to dis Aristotle's Biology by analogy, generate
spontaneously, but evolve, by dialectic.

So all the dialogue we discover and create here from our readings,
identifying the author's allusions, often ironic references,  and
parodies of prior texts.

Pynchon's historical fiction causes the reader to look back, and it
looks back, even to genre and how it evolves with a reading class;
the novel emerged with the reading working classes, and is,
historically, economically, dialectically, linked to the Romance, to,
for example,  The Tempest, and thus to the Monarchs and Aristocracy.

The word we use, "Novel" suggests something new emerging from
something old. But the new artists, even the avant gardes are "
fragile affairs. The moment they become established, they cease to be
– success as well as failure finishes them off."

The novel never did replace the romance, the aristocracy....

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeahp. I keep going back to a point I've made: if the start of genre-defining is
> in Aristotle's Poetics--and it is (in the West)--he hisself sez it is
> all trying to label
> what the Greek artists, dramatists, wrote!
>
> If the origin of criticism is thus, follow the artists.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> It's almost as if "genres" and "fiction" were fluid, evolving things,
>> instead of the solid reliable handles that professors, reviewers and critics
>> have taught us to grasp.
>>
>> Nahh -- that's crazy talk.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> '....weaving of the real and unreal is part of a fast-growing strain
>>> of fiction some call slipstream. The label slipstream encompasses
>>> writing that slips in and out of conventional genres, borrowing from
>>> science fiction, fantasy and horror. The approach, sometimes also
>>> called "fantastika," "interstitial" and "the New Weird," often
>>> feathers the unexpected in with the ordinary, such as the hotel in Ms.
>>> Link's new collection of stories "Get in Trouble," where there are
>>> side-by-side conferences, one for dentists and another for superheroes
>>> in save-the-world costumes and regalia....'
>>> -
>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>
>>
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