Pynchon was here first. from a WSJ review. Slipstream fiction.

[alice malice]

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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:44 AM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:
> But Mr. Pynchon and the Professors and Critiques writing today are far
> from the start of anything. Not sure Aristotle got this all started
> either bu that's another point.
>
>
> New Genres does not, to dis Aristotle's Biology by analogy, generate
> spontaneously, but evolve, by dialectic.
>
> So all the dialogue we discover and create here from our readings,
> identifying the author's allusions, often ironic references,  and
> parodies of prior texts.
>
> Pynchon's historical fiction causes the reader to look back, and it
> looks back, even to genre and how it evolves with a reading class;
> the novel emerged with the reading working classes, and is,
> historically, economically, dialectically, linked to the Romance, to,
> for example,  The Tempest, and thus to the Monarchs and Aristocracy.
>
> The word we use, "Novel" suggests something new emerging from
> something old. But the new artists, even the avant gardes are "
> fragile affairs. The moment they become established, they cease to be
> – success as well as failure finishes them off."
>
> The novel never did replace the romance, the aristocracy....
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:59 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeahp. I keep going back to a point I've made: if the start of genre-defining is
>> in Aristotle's Poetics--and it is (in the West)--he hisself sez it is
>> all trying to label
>> what the Greek artists, dramatists, wrote!
>>
>> If the origin of criticism is thus, follow the artists.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> It's almost as if "genres" and "fiction" were fluid, evolving things,
>>> instead of the solid reliable handles that professors, reviewers and critics
>>> have taught us to grasp.
>>>
>>> Nahh -- that's crazy talk.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> '....weaving of the real and unreal is part of a fast-growing strain
>>>> of fiction some call slipstream. The label slipstream encompasses
>>>> writing that slips in and out of conventional genres, borrowing from
>>>> science fiction, fantasy and horror. The approach, sometimes also
>>>> called "fantastika," "interstitial" and "the New Weird," often
>>>> feathers the unexpected in with the ordinary, such as the hotel in Ms.
>>>> Link's new collection of stories "Get in Trouble," where there are
>>>> side-by-side conferences, one for dentists and another for superheroes
>>>> in save-the-world costumes and regalia....'
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