M & D from Joseph's post

[Mark Kohut]

Yes, he is rumored, and surely is the case that he lived there. He
made friends with many English writers, from Ian McEwan thru I don't
know who. Once called Hitchens in his office..had one meal at least
with Salman Rushdie, was at another dinner party of many and of
note...supposedly in a flannel shirt.

Smow think lotsa research in the british Museum...as well as living
and travelling and who knows buy him?

On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Johnny Marr <marrja at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wasnt TRP rumoured to have lived in England for a while? I appreciate he's
> the subject of thousands of apocryphal stories, but he really has Dixon down
> to a tee as a Geordie - not just the speaking style and idioms, but the
> sense of humour and the personality correspond very closely to archetypal
> Northeastern Englishmen. It seems too well drawn a character to have been
> based purely on a fortnight's holiday/research of the area.
>
>
> On Saturday, February 14, 2015, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to rewrite this response to Mark's post.   I felt the same
>> juxtaposing of opposites that was his response but with a twist. Sensuality
>> does not automatically  imply abuse (unless you are a gnostic or NT
>> literalist) , but here sensuality is given free reign in a direct relation
>> to slavery. Mason imagines similar uses of slaves. Dixon who sees the
>> non-whites as fellows is repulsed by the fantasy, Joanna indulges the
>> fantasy and Cornelius walks away with a hard-on.  The trouble implicit in
>> all this is a division of the soul  because of the desire to hang onto both
>> the Bible  and the sensual power games. Both the authority of the Bible and
>> slavery are necessitated by this Voc enterprise.
>> > The Bible in callvinist interp gives them the status of chosen, graced,
>> > saved, operating under the leaders appointed by God, and the Bible justifies
>> > their violent and humiliating relation to those perceived as heathen, lost,
>> > those who may be redeemed only in subservience to divine order from the
>> > fairest to the darkest.
>> As a result of this division, one reality or the other will dry and
>> whither. ( no one can serve 2 masters)
>>
>> > OK, well probably time to move on to the next chapter.
>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Joseph Tracy wrote:
>>
>> > yes, that impossible tension. But here sensuality is connected to
>> > slavery, and that abuse is not implicit in the sensuality itself. Here it is
>> > a division in the soul because of the desire to hang onto both the Bible and
>> > the power/sensuality  provided by the Voc. The Bible in callvinist interp
>> > giving them the status of chosen, graced, saved and justifying their
>> > relation to those perceived as heathen, lost,  those who may be redeemed
>> > only in subservience to divine order from the fairest to the darkest.
>> >
>>
>> > On Feb 13, 2015, at 6:14 AM, Mark Kohut wrote:
>> >
>> >> "One metaphor of this juxtaposition that I found telling was the girls
>> >> oiling Joanna's skin so that it won't be as the dry pages of the
>> >> Bible."
>> >>
>> >> I also saw this as a metaphor for the sensual, the paganish embrace of
>> >> the body vs. the way the Bible has created repression from its pages.
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