2014: The Death of the Postmodern Novel and the Rise of Autofiction - Flavorwire

[M Thomas Stevenson]

Definitely, Dave. I have a lot of muddy arguments with this puff piece, but this's ultimately the only point to be made: depth, sincerity; and, sadly, it's an argument I think would be immediately relativised into obscurity by the kinds of lit kids I know who are big into "this sorta thing"

On 4 January 2015, at 22:25, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:

I think the real issue isn't style, labels. It is about depth and sincerity.  Postmodernism's common sins are pastiche, one-line jabs, easy rip-off references, cartoonism.  Pynchon does all those things, but most often with deep and complex roots.  GR is his masterpiece. It does rival Ulysses.


David Morris

On Sunday, January 4, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

Despite this guy's characterization, I still think Pynchon is a late Modernist.
But others even on this list call him a postmodernist.

The term has been flashbacked definitionally to include another great
Englsih novel, Tristram Shandy.
A novel that is all in the digressions. (the great Samuel Johnson,
wrong this time (as Wood will be with
Pynchon) ) said it wouldn't last.."nothing odd will last".

Man,  is M &D all in the digressions or isn't it?


On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:24 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> Postmodern architecture has been considered a collective embarrassment for
> at least 20 years. Neo-modernism reigns now.  It is not the evangelical
> modernism of the past. It is all about form, style, magazines.  Green
> architecture is the closest thing we have to early modernism. Third world
> outreach architecture too.  I don't know how long Modernism really believed
> its story.  In architecture PM has long ago lost its welcome.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Saturday, January 3, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> "Like"...yet someone said This articulated below IS also postmodernism (
>> who cares, just a label) but
>> The return of realism, the self, different though, is what matters, if
>> he's right on.
>>
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>> http://flavorwire.com/496570/2014-the-death-of-the-postmodern-novel-and-the-rise-of-autofiction
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>> Sent from my iPad-
>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l

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