dissapointing

[Keith Davis]

I agree with Gary, too. It's 2014, and we're spiraling along, up or down,
who can be sure, and we ain't in Kansas anymore, and it isn't 1976. I think
the movie's very good. There are some things I would like to see in it that
I don't, but it isn't my movie.  What if you saw it without reference to
the book? It definitely feels more bleak than the book. I see more humor in
the book than I saw in the movie. Then again, I was the only one laughing
out loud in the theater.  How to translate all the subtleties, and winks
and nods, of Mr. P, however critical you may be towards this particular
work, to the screen?

Maybe we, as the P list, should come up with the 42 gazillion dollars it
takes to make a movie, and collectively make our own version? And, if we're
going to do that, let's go ahead and tackle GR, the untackle-able! Whatever
faults it may have, I'm glad to see our man P on the big screen!

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:04 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I agree with pretty much everything you say, here.
>
> In IV and BE, Pynchon definitely evinces a surprisingly fresh voice. Young
> at heart to be sure. That alone is impressive on some level, for a man
> approaching 80.
>
> What I found very surprising about IV, the movie, was how few laughs there
> were in it. And, again, the mumbling. The first few scenes felt like
> rehearsals to me.
>
> Second viewing tomorrow. Gotta try to find Pynchon's cameo! Any leads?
>
> Jerky
>
> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:50 PM, gary webb <gwebb8686 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think one of the reasons PTA's rendition of IV is a little hard to wrap
>> one's head around is the simple fact that it is a major motion picture, the
>> film must necessarily constrain Pynchon's riffing, the film, though in many
>> senses is an homage to Pynchon, it isn't necessarily made for Pynchonfiles.
>> I have read many bloated and obviated reviews of both IV, the novel and the
>> film, as well as Bleeding Edge... I don't think Pynchon is writing for the
>> V., TCoL49, and Gravity's Rainbow obsessives anymore... IV and Bleeding
>> Edge, his more contemporary work, feels exactly just that, young and
>> fresh... Pynchon is young at heart... I think he has left the New York
>> Times Book Review crowd and moved onto a new more fresh generation, his
>> son's generation... his message isn't as enigmatic because it doesn't have
>> to be... I thought IV a much more bleak and harsher rendition of the
>> novel... it doesn't have to compare with the Long Goodbye or Lebowski, it
>> flows a lot like the more cynical noirs of the 70s, like Altman's take on
>> the Long Goodbye...
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:19 AM, Toby Levy <tobyglevy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes it was great to see the novel in graphic display on a big screen,
>>> but as a discreet work of art, the film fails on all levels that I measure
>>> movies.  If any objective viewer was to view The Big Lebowski, The Long
>>> Goodbye and Inherent Vice in short order would know exactly what I am
>>> talking about.
>>>
>>> Toby
>>>
>>
>>
>


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