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[Joseph Tracy]

 I read the book and enjoyed it but I wonder if I am completely alone in coming to find Oliver Wendell Holmes shallow and smarmy and one of the great desecrators of the best intentions of the constitution. The notion that the civil war was proof against all ideals never qualified as deep shit for me.  I know Menand did not intend that view of Holmes. For me it was the quotes that produced that effect. 
On Jan 8, 2015, at 12:25 PM, Mark Kohut wrote:

> Ah, up my alley this time (as he rounds the corner off Main street and
> 2nd Ave), Becky....Louis Menand, pretty terrif New Yorker guy and
> ex-scholar and still writer of books, who tried real hard to fully
> like Against the Day, wrote the book you want. THE METAPHYSICAL CLUB.
> (He has also put together Pragmatism readers and other book
> extensions).
> 
> And I have read that book. A--And I know some patchwork philosophy.
> And REAL philosophy was done. C.S. Pierce, who has gone around the
> Plist a few times, is a still neglected Genius and Fountainhead.
> James, who got more popular---the sad story of Pierce being shut out
> of academic positions, so that he could not make a living, is very
> sad. That Head of Harvard to whom Henry Adams sent--or maybe even
> dedicated his Education, would, when called badmouth him...so, he
> wouldn't get hired...James, a nice and good guy too, DID finally get
> Pierce work at Johns Hopkins for awhile...and James and Dewey did do
> good work...and, needless to say, pragmatism is a LOT MORE/OTHER THAN
> WHAT WORKS...as the US has narrowed it to....
> 
> See Pierce on Chance and wonder if TRP had it in mind for them Chums.
> 
> I'll risk narrowing but Pierce and Others could be said to have
> created the anti-Platonic, anti-Scholastic active methodology that it
> is our use---of language and so much more---that determines its/our
> meanings...
> 
> There is a direct connection from another youthful
> mathematician/philosopher who died way young, Paul Ramsey, to
> Wittgenstein leading him to become, in his second book, the later
> Wittgenstein (in his ideas), a pragmatist plus plus maybe.
> 
> Anyway
> 
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com> wrote:
>> Yep - that's why I typed it thusly - "(the method-"philosophy")" .  The real "Pragmatist" thinkers were more like practitioners of philosophy than actual philosophers - for the most part they established methods but not results although I'd submit that their eventual individual goals included results.  The whole movement was a side-result of the Civil War.   It might be interesting to look into the origins of Pragmatist thinking *other than* the Civil War  - not necessarily written works,  but evidence derived from the "American" experience including frontier life, the Revolutionary War, development of the Constitution and other documents, etc.  It came from somewhere - and it is SO American.
>> 
>> Bek
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 8:13 AM, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> http://uwpress.wisc.edu/books/0541.htm
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>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> I think "Pragmatism" (the method- "philosophy") likely bears on almost any (not all)  reading of Americana.
>>>> 
>>>> Bekah
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:05 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just reading about Wm James last evening. It turns out "inner life" is a term he used meaningfully. The olde American functionalist / pragmatist approach certainly bears on any reading of Pynchon, whether as source or butt of the satire.
>>>>> 
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