M&D Deep Duck 4-6: Equator

[Mark Kohut]

p. 31. Ethelmer sez "'Ev'ryone 'knows'".....and whenever I hear that
line I think of the Leonard Cohen song:



Everybody knows - Leonard Cohen - YouTube

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lin-a2lTelg


LEONARD COHEN LYRICS - Everybody Knows - A-Z Lyrics

www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/leonardcohen/everybodyknows.html

Lyrics to "Everybody Knows" song by LEONARD COHEN: Everybody knows
that the dice are loaded Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody know.

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:31 PM, Mark Wright <washoepete at gmail.com> wrote:
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> The practice acknowledged the ancient reality/custom/conceit that officers
> were serving honorably as gentlemen of property--"The Aristocrats!"--and not
> as paid labor. They drew their authority from God through the regnant person
> of king or queen, and discharged lethal justice on the paid men in name of
> God King and Country. That they were not paid gave them more "moral" right,
> too, in a share of valuable seizures held in trust for the monarch.
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> On Thursday, January 22, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> p. 32.Hey, I've been trying in the easy online way to learn
>> if---how---why Captains in the Royal Navy had to pay for their
>> own victualing. Anyone, Anyone, Blinky, Blinky?
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>> On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > NP just Misc.
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>> > "and to this day, ask her what the Equator was, and she did not
>> > know"---Mrs. Dalloway, p.122
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>> > On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:41 PM,  <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >> Found this paper (no notes or bibliography attached, so take its claims
>> >> with a grain of salt):
>> >>
>> >>  Medieval Western maps represented the east at
>> >> the top because it was seen as the allegorical direction in which
>> >> Jerusalem lay (the rising
>> >> sun as locus of the "Son of God": pun intended). Ancient Chinese maps
>> >> showed the south at the
>> >> top, ostensibly because the map represented the Empire as seen from the
>> >> perspective
>> >> of the Emperor, who was seated in the north facing south. It is not
>> >> clear just when
>> >> Chinese maps adopted the convention of north-at-the-top. The
>> >> China-centered world
>> >> map Matteo Ricci introduced to the Chinese mandarins around 1600
>> >> depicted the north
>> >> at the top, but its influence is hard to assess.
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>> >> http://www.ucis.pitt.edu/ncta/pdfiles/MappingEthnocentrismexcerpt.pdf
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>> >> And, for the record, we NYC snobs wouldn't describe Ohio as "Out West."
>> >> It's strictly in the "fly-by zone." Definitely, the excluded middle!
>> >>
>> >> Laura
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>> >>
>> >>>>On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:00 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> But not everyone has the same idioms we do.  Maine is known as Down
>> >>>>> East.   "Mix up" or "mix it up"  is a totally English idiom - try
>> >>>>> translating it into Spanish - lol - the "up" is not translatable.  WE use
>> >>>>> the word "up" for lots of things - "look it up," for instance "look it up in
>> >>>>> the dictionary."  Why "up."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In California the rest of the US is all "Back East" - in New York
>> >>>>> I'd imagine Ohio to be "Out West."  It Texas it's all known as "Up North."
>> >>>>> In Fargo it's all "Down South."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Merriam Webster:  in or into a more northerly location; especially
>> >>>>> :  in or into the part of the U.S. that lies north of the Mason-Dixon Line
>> >>>>> and the Ohio River <He was educated in the South, but trained .>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Bek
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:14 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I have had these same questions about up and down but failed to
>> >>>>>> look hard enough to have any definitive answer. The erotic aspect makes some
>> >>>>>> kind of weird sense just because so much instinctively comes from our body.
>> >>>>>> Body language.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> There is also that up (mountains)  equals colder. And for the major
>> >>>>>> civilizations north is cold and south is warm.  This seems the most likely
>> >>>>>> explanation to me of how this connection entered the language.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> In the iconography of medieval cathedrals, derived to a large
>> >>>>>> degree from biblical passages  about direction, north is equated with
>> >>>>>> judgement and the cross and south with resurrection and regeneration( Jesse
>> >>>>>> tree geneology windows). South also has biblical association with gold,
>> >>>>>> spices, and the erotic other. So south to a Biblical people should not  be
>> >>>>>> inherently negative. But then there is also the whole question of Ham.
>> >>>>>> There is nothing in the bible indicating Ham's curse was black skin but the
>> >>>>>> theory is widespread and may even be somewhere in the Talmudic texts.
>> >>>>>> According to theTorah Moses second wife was Ethiopian, but Ethiopian jews
>> >>>>>> have lower status in modern Israel.
>> >>
>> >>>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:09 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> A boundary ordained by the stars, by Mother Earth (slightly tubby
>> >>>>>>> in the waistline, despite - because of! - all that spinning). It's a border,
>> >>>>>>> but no war has ever been fought over it (though, certainly, many have been
>> >>>>>>> fought across it).
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> But implicit in it are some of the things Joseph and others have
>> >>>>>>> been discussing: colonialism and slavery, in particular -- the general
>> >>>>>>> European colonialist attitude towards the darker people who lived "down"
>> >>>>>>> there as somewhat lesser, for living at the "bottom" rather than the "top."
>> >>>>>>> Is there a homoerotic metaphor here? The mapmakers make the decisions, but
>> >>>>>>> when did it become ingrained in the popular consciousness that South = Down?
>> >>>>>>> John Bailey, chime in, please: Isn't it specifically white Australians who
>> >>>>>>> decided to get defensively cute in bragging about living Down Under - to
>> >>>>>>> lure tourists across the equator?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It's odd, in a way, that the European colonialists who imposed
>> >>>>>>> borders on the indigenous peoples of Africa and South America never thought
>> >>>>>>> to use the Equator as an official national border. A nice straight line, but
>> >>>>>>> no Masons or Dixons up to the task of hacking through such remote wilderness
>> >>>>>>> to draw it. Still, you'd think they could at least pick a spot and call it
>> >>>>>>> the Equator. Who was going to argue with them if it was a couple of
>> >>>>>>> kilometers off?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> By the way, here's a list of the countries the Equator passes
>> >>>>>>> through: Ecuador [Equator - someone at least took note!], Colombia, Brazil,
>> >>>>>>> Sao Tome & Principe, Gabon, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of
>> >>>>>>> the Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Maldives, Indonesia and Kiribati. Note
>> >>>>>>> that Equatorial Guinea is not among them.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Ecuador actually has a tourist spot with an official line drawn to
>> >>>>>>> show where the Equator is. Only problem is, it's off by a few hundred feet.
>> >>>>>>> No one cares, but M&D would be appalled.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/much-ado-about-nothing-at-the-equator-8514125/?no-ist
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Laura
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