MISC. NP. since we have talked about mindfulness here

[Keith Davis]

Nicely put


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> On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> "Awakening" is gaining access to the perspective of oneness, breaking through to experiencing it. Satori is a temporary higher state. One can't stay there, or one might as well be dead, commit suicide. The trick, higher goal, is the bring that unified state back into this dualistic world.  "Enlightenment" is the state of living in this world with an awakened perspective.
> 
> This topic is a BIG playground.  That's why reincarnation is an infinite reality.  Buddhism described a multiverse long before theoretical quantum physics surmised it.
> 
> David Morris
> 
>> On Sunday, January 25, 2015, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>> According to Ken Wilber, Keith, yes, repeated exposure to further stages of development speeds development along. So repeating satori experiences can lead to enlightenment.
>> Theoretically. 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:51 AM, David Ewers <dsewers at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_(Zen)?  Or were you referring to something more nameless?
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Keith Davis wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Trouble is, that satori, like any other state, is temporary. What is it that lasts?
>>>> 
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>>>>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Buddhism is just another religion. Mahayana is so like the Catholic church it's no wonder there are so many crossover attendees in both denominations. Chan resembles Orthodoxy in many ways, and Hinayana and Zen are like protestant derivatives of their forebears.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The parallels break down in details, but the overarching themes remain pretty equivalent. You're as likely to achieve satori in Catholic mystical practices as in any of Buddhist lineages, depending on the metaphors that serve you best. Another excellent route to a very similar experience, I think, is the deep study of any of the physical sciences.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah. Pretty long koan to me, more power to you, less is my 'enlightenment'.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > Seems very complicated.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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>>>>>> > On Jan 25, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "A very real Zen answer, to me."
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hinayana, actually. Zen and Hinayana are Pacific descendants of Mahayana.
>>>>>> > Both evolved out of Chan, the Chinese variety of Buddhism that integrates
>>>>>> > many Taoist elements, especially elements of alchemy and of flow being
>>>>>> > unidirectional. Both follow the premise that the goal of enlightenment is is
>>>>>> > to achieve Nirvana and, well, graduate out of the cycle of suffering, death,
>>>>>> > and rebirth. In Mahayana, the aim is to achieve Nirvana so that the
>>>>>> > enlightened one can return as a bodhisattva to guide others along the path
>>>>>> > to enlightenment.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> This morning, while driving to get my pressing news (no NYT delivery
>>>>>> >> where I live), the NPR show ON BEING was on.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ms. Tippit interviewed Thich Nhat Hanh, leading Vietnamese Buddhist,
>>>>>> >> and quoted to him from his Meditation Handbook. "these techniques will
>>>>>> >> help you handle the pressing questions in your life"...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> She then asked him "What are Your pressing questions?"...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> He:  "Pressing questions?", reflectively ......."I have no
>>>>>> >> pressing questions"....
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> A very real Zen answer, to me.
>>>>>> >> -
>>>>>> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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