MISC. NP. since we have talked about mindfulness here

[Keith Davis]

David E., yes, this is what I've been saying about Pynchon for a while, in
not exactly the same words.

David M., funny, I have this volume of Parabola. It was something
recommended and referred to in a study group I was involved in.

Here is a book I just borrowed from my cousin, about one of the topics
we're discussing. I haven't read it yet, but it looks interesting.
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_Brain_that_Changes_Itself.html?id=CfY4AAAAQBAJ

Here is an interesting talk about non-duality:
http://www.sailorbobadamson.com/introductory-talk/



On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:41 AM, David Ewers <dsewers at comcast.net> wrote:

> I agree; good stuff!
>
> You read my mind, Mr. Morris.  I was just writing when I saw your post:
> We've been talking about crossing equators lately in M-&D-.  The human
> brain also has hemispheres, so it lends itself conveniently to a dualistic
> viewing (right and left brains, etc.).  But, as Ian Livingston points out,
> thinking non-dualistically [feels/seems/thinks] good for/to/as the brain.
> This observation, which I share, reminds me of something I read a long time
> ago about brain bicamerality (something about the interface between brain
> hemispheres, changing over time, by way of attention), which makes me
> wonder about brain physiology.  Could there be electrochemical brain
> changes resulting from our mental seafaring?  Or (at the risk of sounding
> even more spaced-out...)  other physical correlations between our - if not
> conceptual unification, at least 'motion' in its direction -, and the
> 'outside world'?  So some Brain><Earth symmetry, leading to self-similar
> processes of unification?  To my mind, Pynchon is a lot about this sort of
> synthesis.  For me, novels like his are part of a sort of Western
> non-dualistic tradition.
>
> On Jan 25, 2015, at 10:01 PM, David Morris wrote:
>
> Meditation usually starts with focusing on the process of breathing, with
> the goal of slowing down the verbalizing mind, often called the "monkey
> mind."  Pre-verbal experience is the goal.  It can take you to places that
> tripping drugs go, but with longer lasting results.
>
> Some eastern schools teach about the energy channels of the esoteric body:
> the left, right, and central channel.  The dominant human-ego channel is
> the left-brain (right body) side. Meditation seeks to allow the right brain
> to have its equal place.  And ultimately the two sides meld into a vortex
> in the central channel. That blend is the Tao.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Sunday, January 25, 2015, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Great stuff!
>>
>>
>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>> Sent from Beyond the Zero
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:57 PM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> "Mind training" is brain training. Like any other part of the body, the
>> brain responds well to exercise, and, as with any other part of the body,
>> where you tether your attention is where you will go. Attention--that's the
>> key. Selecting a tether is easy, staying at that anchor in the raging
>> stream of consciousness is another. We Westerners don't really get the
>> whole non-dual thing. It's a concept for us, but that is not the case for
>> the native people of the cultures in which non-dual reckoning is a natural
>> part of being in the world. It ain't the same as oneness with the deity, as
>> the Catholic monastics seek, nor is emptiness the emptiness of our
>> conceptualization. We don't have the metaphors that fully convey those
>> reference points in the non-dual traditions. It's important to flirt with
>> it, though. It seems to be good for the brain.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Awakening" is gaining access to the perspective of oneness, breaking
>>> through to experiencing it. Satori is a temporary higher state. One can't
>>> stay there, or one might as well be dead, commit suicide. The trick, higher
>>> goal, is the bring that unified state back into this dualistic world.
>>>  "Enlightenment" is the state of living in this world with an awakened
>>> perspective.
>>>
>>> This topic is a BIG playground.  That's why reincarnation is an infinite
>>> reality.  Buddhism described a multiverse long before theoretical quantum
>>> physics surmised it.
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 25, 2015, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to Ken Wilber, Keith, yes, repeated exposure to further
>>>> stages of development speeds development along. So repeating satori
>>>> experiences can lead to enlightenment.
>>>> Theoretically.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:51 AM, David Ewers <dsewers at comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daigo_(Zen)?  Or were you referring to
>>>>> something more nameless?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 9:19 AM, Keith Davis wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trouble is, that satori, like any other state, is temporary. What is
>>>>> it that lasts?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>> Sent from Beyond the Zero
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 11:56 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Buddhism is just another religion. Mahayana is so like the Catholic
>>>>> church it's no wonder there are so many crossover attendees in both
>>>>> denominations. Chan resembles Orthodoxy in many ways, and Hinayana and Zen
>>>>> are like protestant derivatives of their forebears.
>>>>>
>>>>> The parallels break down in details, but the overarching themes remain
>>>>> pretty equivalent. You're as likely to achieve satori in Catholic mystical
>>>>> practices as in any of Buddhist lineages, depending on the metaphors that
>>>>> serve you best. Another excellent route to a very similar experience, I
>>>>> think, is the deep study of any of the physical sciences.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah. Pretty long koan to me, more power to you, less is my
>>>>>> 'enlightenment'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Seems very complicated.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Www.innergroovemusic.com
>>>>>> > Sent from Beyond the Zero
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Jan 25, 2015, at 10:26 AM, Ian Livingston <
>>>>>> igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > "A very real Zen answer, to me."
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Hinayana, actually. Zen and Hinayana are Pacific descendants of
>>>>>> Mahayana.
>>>>>> > Both evolved out of Chan, the Chinese variety of Buddhism that
>>>>>> integrates
>>>>>> > many Taoist elements, especially elements of alchemy and of flow
>>>>>> being
>>>>>> > unidirectional. Both follow the premise that the goal of
>>>>>> enlightenment is is
>>>>>> > to achieve Nirvana and, well, graduate out of the cycle of
>>>>>> suffering, death,
>>>>>> > and rebirth. In Mahayana, the aim is to achieve Nirvana so that the
>>>>>> > enlightened one can return as a bodhisattva to guide others along
>>>>>> the path
>>>>>> > to enlightenment.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 4:59 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> This morning, while driving to get my pressing news (no NYT
>>>>>> delivery
>>>>>> >> where I live), the NPR show ON BEING was on.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Ms. Tippit interviewed Thich Nhat Hanh, leading Vietnamese
>>>>>> Buddhist,
>>>>>> >> and quoted to him from his Meditation Handbook. "these techniques
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> >> help you handle the pressing questions in your life"...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> She then asked him "What are Your pressing questions?"...
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> He:  "Pressing questions?", reflectively ......."I have no
>>>>>> >> pressing questions"....
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> A very real Zen answer, to me.
>>>>>> >> -
>>>>>> >> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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