M&D Deep Duck 4-6: Yet another reason M&D starts at sea

[Mark Kohut]

I just reread Yeats' THE SECOND COMING...with the world-famous lines

'The blood-dimmed tide is loosed and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned."

M & D are presented partly as innocents herein and then the battle.



On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> p. 43....Dixon, the Quaker, sez (now) "We should be happy to proceed
> to war upon any people, in any
> quarter of the Globe, etc."....WTF?
>
> After being shelled, after the shit-cleansing of Death-Fear, after
> Death now even in the cabin....
> Dixon is ready to......do unto others as they are trying to do to him?
>
> in War, war is a contagion....?
>
> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 8:11 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> p. 42 "neither has bother'd to keep his defensive works mann'd against
>> the other."
>>
>> The concept may go back to the first two homo sapiens, or Adam & Eve
>> after that bite,
>> and I don't have access to an OED as I type,
>> but 'defense mechanisms'..'ego defensiveness'....defensiveness (as
>> Psychological term)
>> goes no further back than the 1950s in GOOGLE BOOKS citations.
>>
>> Sort of an anachronous characterization very resonant with the concept
>> of mann'd ships fighting
>> herein.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:58 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> p. 45 near the bottom....a reduction of possibilities....where did we
>>> read that before?....in the words on the cattle drives that reduce
>>> choice and possibility as they are led into the slaughterhouse in AtD
>>> is one place.                   Cf. "single up all lines"
>>>
>>> in a book on Finnegans Wake, the curse of the Kabbalah is said to be
>>> that it makes mankind 'fearful and dependent"....see lines above these
>>> on p. 45
>>> 'the curse of Kabbalah, the root source of the reduction of human
>>> possibilities"----same book..
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> pp 44-45.." 'Terrible, well, as to 'Terrible'..." And what they cannot
>>>> speak, some of it not yet, some of it never,  resumes breathless
>>>> Sovereignty in the wax-lit Rooms.
>>>>
>>>> Death......in the equivalent of the Drawing Rooms....
>>>>
>>>> Cf. "whereof what one cannot speak, one must pass over in
>>>> silence"---Wittgenstein (Although he meant something different than
>>>> Death, which 'was not an event in life", he said.)
>>>> And Mrs. Dalloway.....how dare they talk about death at my party--paraphrase.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 1:12 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>>>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28.01.2015 19:28, kelber at mindspring.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Pynchon's navy experience was obviously a formative one, given how much
>>>>>> ships are used as plot devices, or at least referenced, in his books. So
>>>>>> many ripe connections and metaphors. Or is it all about Moby Dick, Alice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ships in his other books (please add to this list!):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> V: Profane's a Navy man, and there are multiple shipboard scenes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> COL49: Mike Fallopian's recounting of a naval encounter between Russian
>>>>>> and American ships. More on this from Martin Eve:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.academia.edu/1037657/Historical_Sources_for_Pynchons_Peter_Pinguid_Society
>>>>>> GR: Well, the Anubis, of course, and the hijacked U-boat, the toilet ship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there's the vessel of Frau Gnahb:
>>>>>
>>>>> "'please, mother,' silent otto plaintive in the window of the pilot house.
>>>>> in reply the good woman commences bellowing a bloodthirsty ~ sea chanty ~
>>>>> i'm the pirate queen of the baltic run, and nobody fucks ~ with me--- ~ and
>>>>> those who've tried are bones and skulls, and lie beneath ~ the sea. ~ and
>>>>> the little fish like messengers swim in and out their eyes, ~ singing, 'fuck
>>>>> ye not with gory gnahb and her desperate ~ enterprise!' ~ i'll tangle with a
>>>>> battleship, i'll massacre a sloop, ~ i've sent a hundred souls to hell in
>>>>> one relentless swoop--- ~ i've seen the flying dutchman, and each time we
>>>>> pass, he cries, ~ 'oh, steer me clear of gory gnahb, and her desperate ~
>>>>> enterprise!' ~ whereupon she grips her wheel and accelerates." (pp. 497-498)
>>>>> ~~~ [copied this from the archives, I have no idea why I didn't use caps
>>>>> back then.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding the name Gnahb, Steven Weisenburger notes that it is "a backward
>>>>> spelling of 'bhang'" (Hindu term for marijuana), --- I do hear echoes of the
>>>>> name Ahab, too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Vineland: Well, not much other than a reference to Zoyd working a cruise
>>>>>> gig for Kahuna Airlines.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ATD: The SS Stupendica sequence, and the Airship.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IV: the Golden Fang
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Laura
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BE: If I remember, there's a little scene on a ferry boat.
>>>>>>
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