We were all right....Mason & Dixon

Mon Jul 27 02:22:54 CDT 2015

Cheers David! Sweet of you:)

> 22. jul. 2015 kl. 19.35 skrev David Ewers <dsewers at comcast.net>:
> 
> I think you did a fine job.  If I recall correctly, the person who was to follow you didn't report for duty, and we never took up the slack.  I agree that it was fun while it lasted.
> 
> On Jul 21, 2015, at 12:51 AM have a nice day, violet wrote this message:), Elisabeth Romberg wrote:
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>> As mine was the last chapters before the big silence I felt it was my fault people lost interest in the group read - I simply wasn't up to par. When the ensuing Norwegian Angst kicked in I had to put M&D down to lick wounds lol. 
>> You were brilliant though! Enjoyed myself throughout in your company. So happy and chuffed to have found the p-list.
>> 
>> I'd be well up for a group watch of IV. A live stream with a chat function would be great!
>> 
>> Best
>> Elisabeth 
>> 
>> Sendt fra min iPhone
>>> 21. jul. 2015 kl. 09.36 skrev Kai Frederik Lorentzen <lorentzen at hotmail.de>:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Seriously, why isn't someone selling our data
>>> here? We're nothing! <
>>> 
>>> "We are ugly but we have the music" (Leonard Cohen)
>>> 
>>> I do not want our data to be sold.
>>> 
>>> And I don't want to be 'someone' in terms of the digital economy.
>>> 
>>> Group reads are overrated. You don't need them to post something substantial on Pynchon. The most interesting threads are those evolving spontaneously.
>>> 
>>> And it's always "Now!" and you can start from where you are ...
>>> 
>>> On 21.07.2015 01:04, John Bailey wrote:
>>>> There were lots of successful group reads in the past.
>>>> 
>>>> I blame the changing culture of the internet. Back then there just
>>>> wasn't that much to do online, so more people could spend an hour or
>>>> three with a book and a browser and a leisurely mind.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course I'm romanticising but in the global shopping mall that the
>>>> Deep Archer and most of the web has become, the P-List is a rag and
>>>> bone shop. If we had more funny quizzes, lists like the Six Most
>>>> Amazing Ways Pynchon Will Improve Your Sex Life, ways to tag each
>>>> other in emails, ability to autogenerate our favourite P characters as
>>>> avatars, some kind of dedicated app, a gamified reward system that
>>>> gave us badges for posting more, a font of our own, a Game of Thrones
>>>> crossover week, a photo feed and sold advertising space that can be
>>>> blocked so users think that the real product isn't our data, maybe
>>>> we'd have a chance? Seriously, why isn't someone selling our data
>>>> here? We're nothing!
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Dave Monroe <against.the.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I blame myself.  I was simply in no condition to participate on a
>>>>> regular basis @ the time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Meanwhile, some day, the Inherent Vice group watch?
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://pdl.warnerbros.com/wbmovies/awards2014/pdf/iv.pdf
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> When enough are not newly reading and responding, the silence is loud.
>>>>>> And one needs to be following the bouncing ball
>>>>>> when one posts who is, otherwise it is not new.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Too many too busy or otherwise out of the Group Read. Life in late
>>>>>> capitalism ain't easy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 2:34 PM, David Ewers <dsewers at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> I believe you're on to something with why the group read fizzled, Mark T.,
>>>>>>> although I think we had it going pretty good for a while there.  I'm not
>>>>>>> sure it's impossible to maintain that managed flow-through you describe, but
>>>>>>> (speaking for myself) it does seem to require some obsessing to do the
>>>>>>> discussion justice.  It's tough to be obsessed for several months straight.
>>>>>>> Maybe we should have built some time-outs into the schedule?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, is anyone still giving M-&D- the deep reading treatment?
>>>>>>> If so, where are you?
>>>>>>> I've slowed down a lot in my M-&D- reading, lightened up some, picked up
>>>>>>> other books, etc., but I've got notes up to chapter 35.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope everyone (in the Northern Hemisphere...) is having a bitchin' summer!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 19, 2015, at 11:44 AM have a nice day, violet wrote this message:),
>>>>>>> Mark Thibodeau wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think the reason why group reads of Pynchon tend to break down (and I say
>>>>>>> this with a guilty conscience at my own part in the unraveling of the last
>>>>>>> M&D group read attempt) is that his work is SO RICH and full of constant,
>>>>>>> almost fractal levels of allusion and multi-contextual referencing (moreso
>>>>>>> perhaps than any writer aside from Joyce) that trying to maintain some kind
>>>>>>> of managed flow-through is literally impossible to do.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any reader takes from a work of art only that which he or she is capable of
>>>>>>> taking. We all bring our own personal contexts into some kind of
>>>>>>> intermeshing with the context of the work that we're approaching. Someone
>>>>>>> steeped in pre-Revolutionary American history will have a different reading
>>>>>>> experience from someone who knows a lot about, say, the history of science.
>>>>>>> Both will find it a masterwork, but for different reasons.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For that reason, I think Pynchon slots in with those writers who are both
>>>>>>> difficult AND rewarding.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> MT
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Misc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> just read an interesting essay by Stanley Greenblatt, Shakespeare and
>>>>>>>> Beyond
>>>>>>>> Scholar---this essay is on Milton, however---that applies to many a great
>>>>>>>> writer
>>>>>>>> including our writer from Long Island.......
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thesis: The depth of full scholarship analysis of such as Milton, say
>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>> long book on all the subtleties and breadth and depth of his politics
>>>>>>>> explored thru
>>>>>>>> his major poems......tends to kill why he is great.....
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The poetry on the page.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Discuss.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> is an incredible book....
>>>>>>>>> 
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