"One can't be too humble"...Tom Stoppard, not Pynchon

[David Morris]

Mechanistic or intrinsic spark are just differently-termed metaphors for
the same thing: the creator/creation dynamic.  That subject is inherently
paradoxical, both/and.  The very nature of a creation is limited
manifestation that is actually limitless.  A dance of the not-two.

David Morris

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That is a tricky topic. If you say that the intelligence includes all, as
> in non-duality, then any and all actions take place in that allness, and
> are defined by it or limited by it. But how can the limitless be limited?
> Is it the same old question of free will? It has been proven that cognition
> is a step behind actual "happenings". For there to be an original action,
> would there need to be first an original thought, and is that possible if
> cognition is slower than "now"?
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> Really interesting conversation. I felt Stoppard had a powerful
>> underlying challenge but was rather gummed up in getting it across. I
>> thought Wilson was very persuasive that altruism while admirable for
>> traditional human value systems, may  also be coded into nature as a
>> pragmatic mechanism enhancing evolutionary survival and diversity. The
>> assertion of Wilson’s I am most uncomfortable with is of all human
>> functionality, and essentially  of all physical functionality, being
>> mechanistic.
>>  It is a very weird metaphor or analogy to be insistent about.  One could
>> easily argue that quantum reality is more analogous to the metaphors of
>> vitalism and intrinsic spark than to a machine which by definition is a
>> created/designed tool for use by a shaping intelligence.
>>
>> > On May 29, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> https://evolution-institute.org/article/the-playwright-and-the-scientist-a-conversation-between-tom-stoppard-and-david-sloan-wilson/?utm_content=buffer37894&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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