"One can't be too humble"...Tom Stoppard, not Pynchon

[Keith Davis]

Nicely put.


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> On Jun 1, 2015, at 11:53 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mechanistic or intrinsic spark are just differently-termed metaphors for the same thing: the creator/creation dynamic.  That subject is inherently paradoxical, both/and.  The very nature of a creation is limited manifestation that is actually limitless.  A dance of the not-two.
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> David Morris
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>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> That is a tricky topic. If you say that the intelligence includes all, as in non-duality, then any and all actions take place in that allness, and are defined by it or limited by it. But how can the limitless be limited? Is it the same old question of free will? It has been proven that cognition is a step behind actual "happenings". For there to be an original action, would there need to be first an original thought, and is that possible if cognition is slower than "now"?
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>>> On Sun, May 31, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>> Really interesting conversation. I felt Stoppard had a powerful underlying challenge but was rather gummed up in getting it across. I thought Wilson was very persuasive that altruism while admirable for traditional human value systems, may  also be coded into nature as a pragmatic mechanism enhancing evolutionary survival and diversity. The assertion of Wilson’s I am most uncomfortable with is of all human functionality, and essentially  of all physical functionality, being mechanistic.
>>>  It is a very weird metaphor or analogy to be insistent about.  One could easily argue that quantum reality is more analogous to the metaphors of  vitalism and intrinsic spark than to a machine which by definition is a created/designed tool for use by a shaping intelligence.
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>>> > On May 29, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> > https://evolution-institute.org/article/the-playwright-and-the-scientist-a-conversation-between-tom-stoppard-and-david-sloan-wilson/?utm_content=buffer37894&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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