M&D Chapter 12 - pages 118-119

David Morris fqmorris at gmail.com
Sun Mar 1 20:33:42 CST 2015 

I guess I just don't see that genre theory as fruitful beyond a shallow
level. Genre is a collection of attributes, just as music has its styles.
Styles are the space in which stars might arise, but the ground, the water,
the environment pre-exist those stars.  The spark moves through whatever
ground environment exists.  All this theory forgets the specifics of
reading experience here, now, apart from theory. More Experiencing. Less
Thinking.

On Sunday, March 1, 2015, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com> wrote:

> So, we might use theory to read GR. Doing so doesn't prove anything.
> Theory is not proof. But it will certainly provide a method of
> analysis that will, while limiting in some respects, enhance our
> reading of GR.
>
> For example,
>
> "The Feathery Rilke Mustaches and Porky Pig Tattoo on Stomach": High
> and Low Pressures inGravity's Rainbow
>
>
> Heikki Raudaskoski, University of Oulu, Finland
>
>
>  http://www.pynchon.pomona.edu/gr/finnished.html
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 6:56 PM, alice malice <alicewmalice at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Genre is theory and like all theory it does not limit the truths we
> > may discover in the reading of a book or in all of nature. So, genre
> > theory doesn't limit the truths we may discover.
> >
> > But genre theory, and all theory, is conscious of its limitations, and
> > it is in this awareness of its inadequacies that theory helps us
> > attain a truth in a particular discipline or from a particular
> > perspective.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 4:59 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> You and Alice and some critics want to place novels in labeled bookstore
> >> shelves, by category.  I understand that as a vehicle for discussion and
> >> comparison.  I think GR's expanse of genre referencing actively fights
> that
> >> kind of book shelving.
> >>
> >> David Morris
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sunday, March 1, 2015, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Becky writes:
> >>>
> >>> Maskelyne likens St. Helena to a gothic novel and says:
> >>> "Six months I've been here - too many idle Minutes soon pile up,
> >>> topple and overwhelm the Healthiest Mind."
> >>>
> >>> Maskelyne, man of science, repeats a cultural attitude more prevalent
> >>> among Protestants than Catholics
> >>> sez a Google Books search and paralleling Weber's insights it says
> >>> elsewhere.
> >>>
> >>> And, of course, the Gothic strain of fiction, this upcoming fiction
> >>> within the fiction, is a current of fearful fiction,
> >>> anxiety-filled (and cathartic thereby?) fiction and, even Horror
> >>> fiction. It might be seen as the demonic undertow
> >>> of fiction, the underground answer to the overground novel of manners
> >>> and society.
> >>>
> >>>  Austen, soon a genius of the latter, has her protagonist in the early
> >>> Northanger Abbey get overwrought almost hysterically at times with her
> >>> Gothic novel reading.
> >>>
> >>> The Gothic strain is the anti-optimism strain. The Gothic strain is
> >>> the Cassandra strain. Gothic is the downward pull
> >>> to scientific and societal 'inevitable progress. The Gothic strain is
> >>> the Return of the Repressed strain.
> >>>
> >>> Gravity's Rainbow is Gothic.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Becky Lindroos <bekker2 at icloud.com
> <javascript:;>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Another day,  another couple pages:
> >>> >
> >>> > Maskalyne likens St. Helena to a gothic novel and says
> >>> >
> >>> > "Six months I've been here - too many idle Minutes soon pile up,
> topple
> >>> > and overwhelm the Healthiest Mind."
> >>> >
> >>> > (A little foreshadowing there? -  Suspicions that Mason might go
> >>> > completely mad?  Pynchon doesn't really go in for a lot of
> foreshadowing to
> >>> > keep up suspense or whatever - just as well,  it would take the
> whole thing
> >>> > overboard, overdone, too much.)
> >>> >
> >>> > ** "Sirius Business," cackles the Proprietor. -  another groaner gag.
> >>> >
> >>> > This novel has some very serious themes, but told with a LOT of
> humor -
> >>> > not just humor to lighten the atmosphere -there's actually a comic
> tone.
> >>> >
> >>> > "But I also noticed that the book's  (M&D's) humor was more
> thoroughly
> >>> > interwoven with melancholy and a sense of mortality than ever before
> in
> >>> > Pynchon's work."
> >>> >
> http://www.swarthmore.edu/Humanities/pschmid1/essays/pynchon/mason.html
> >>> >
> >>> > "Mason & Dixon represents an impulse to write history through the
> >>> > imaginary field, to crosshatch its narrative with a realization of
> culture's
> >>> > desire to find its identity in the realm of the imagination. It thus
> argues,
> >>> > implicitly, for the importance of artistic imagination alongside
> scientific
> >>> > and historical work. Pynchon rejects the harsh realism and more
> cynical
> >>> > parodies employed by many contemporary authors, using HUMOR (my
> caps)  and
> >>> > even magic as modes of transformation.[17] Talking dogs, sexually
> aroused
> >>> > mechanical ducks, and nighttime apparitions and ghosts haunt Mason
> and Dixon
> >>> > in America; perhaps the country that combines technical invention
> with
> >>> > capitalistic enterprise might be equallymythologic in Pynchon's
> ambivalent
> >>> > history."
> >>> > http://pmc.iath.virginia.edu/issue.903/14.1burns.html
> >>> >
> >>> > Thoughts on the humor and how it adds to the mix of history, themes,
> >>> > story, whatever -  do you laugh? Why?
> >>> >
> >>> > **********
> >>> > And then, ta-da - it's Maskelyne's birthday - (which would tell us
> it's
> >>> > October 6, 1761 and that he's 29 years old - born Oct. 1732) and he
> makes a
> >>> > big deal of impending doom (age 30 is coming).
> >>> >
> >>> > The phrase "Stygian mists"  is from "To Chloris"  in "Madrigals and
> >>> > Epigrams" by William Drummond of Hawthornden (1585-1649) Scottish
> poet.   a
> >>> > little chunk of the poem -  http://www.bartleby.com/337/285.html
> >>> >
> >>> > Mason:  (but 30 is)  "... a Number divisible,- penetrable! - by 6
> >>> > numbers!"    (eeks?  why?  - numerology of some kind I guess.)
> >>> >
> >>> > ***  Narrator:    "...dismal apostrophes..."    -
> >>> >  And in this case the word apostrophe means exclamations,  not the
> >>> > punctuation symbol.
> >>> >
> >>> > **** Now Dixon is leaving for South Africa to take care of
> Maskelyne's
> >>> > "Sisson instrument"  which is probably a quadrant of some sort,  a
> device
> >>> > for measuring angles.
> >>> >
> >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Sisson
> >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodolite
> >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadrant_(instrument)
> >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mural_instrument
> >>> >
> >>> >         If the measurement device is off by a hair - then that slight
> >>> > error is multiplied exponentially and Maskelyne has invested more
> than time
> >>> > and his career in the instrument ($$?) .  Dixon is the field rep for
> Johnny
> >>> > Bird's instruments?  -  lol - but ...
> >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Bird_(astronomer)
> >>> >
> >>> > Why are the various measurements of time and space inaccurate?
>  Errors
> >>> > in measurement - 1.  human error - the time of the Transit (because
> M&D
> >>> > started/ stopped at different places) and, 2.  device error (plumb
> line
> >>> > screwed up on quadrant).
> >>> > **********
> >>> > Is there really so little on these two pages?    Or is this "so
> little?"
> >>> >
> >>> > So here's an added little morsel for the Learn'd Dogs amongst us -
> James
> >>> > Wood, in a now "classic" essay soundly criticized Zadie Smith's
> White Teeth
> >>> > for it's "hysterical realism" and lambasted a few others in the
> process
> >>> > (M&D, etc).
> >>> > http://www.newrepublic.com/article/61361/human-all-too-inhuman
> >>> >
> >>> > And this is a rather interesting little Wiki article on the subject:
> >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysterical_realism
> >>> > (interesting little piece)
> >>> >
> >>> > Becky
> >>> > the humor bit reminded me of hysterical and that took me on the
> little
> >>> > semi-side trip to Wood and Wiki -
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -
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