GR translation: can count on the Masons for a few good shivers and voids

[David Morris]

If this was Pynchon's intended meaning it is clear that he embeds
understanding.  Like Nabakov's stuff, this is an elitist level of
reference, unless pynch assumes we all know this shit.

David Morris

On Tuesday, March 17, 2015, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you are right.  From the OED:
>
> *B.* n.1
> ......
> 9. Med. An emptying of the bladder.
>
> Thanks everyone who responded.
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Danny Weltman <danny.weltman at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','danny.weltman at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> I don't have the book next to me, but I think shivers and voids would be
>> "piss shivers" (the sensation of becoming cold while urinating) and voiding
>> one's bowels, a euphemism for shitting your pants. The implication here
>> being that if all else fails, conspiracy theorists can scare each other by
>> pointing out the grasp the Illuminati has on the world.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:19 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jstremmel at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, I think Mark is right, it's about scares that can give you shivers,
>>> but I would take void as a noun, too:
>>>
>>> 1 a completely empty space: the black void of space.
>>> • an emptiness caused by the loss of something: the void left by the
>>> death of his wife.
>>> • an unfilled space in a wall, building, or structure;
>>>
>>> and from the Thesaurus:
>>>
>>> noun
>>> the void of space: vacuum, emptiness, nothingness, nullity, blankness,
>>> vacuity; empty space, blank space, space, gap, cavity, chasm, abyss, gulf,
>>> pit, black hole
>>>
>>> esp. the abysses, the pits, the black holes ...
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-03-16 11:08 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mark.kohut at gmail.com');>>:
>>>
>>>> I would suggest an extrapolation of the below, #2 is the main meaning.
>>>> Overall, the sentence sez the global conspiracy scares
>>>> one.
>>>>
>>>> verb
>>>> 3rd person present: voids
>>>>
>>>> 1.
>>>> NORTH AMERICAN
>>>> declare that (something) is not valid or legally binding.
>>>> "the Supreme Court voided the statute"
>>>> synonyms:invalidate, annul, nullify; More
>>>> 2.
>>>> discharge or drain away (water, gases, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Mike Jing
>>>> <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>>> > V587.26-35   Some of the American Founding Fathers were Masons, for
>>>> instance
>>>> > There is a theory going around that the U.S.A. was and still is a
>>>> gigantic
>>>> > Masonic plot under the ultimate control of the group known as the
>>>> > Illuminati. It is difficult to look for long at the strange single eye
>>>> > crowning the pyramid which is found on every dollar bill and not
>>>> begin to
>>>> > believe the story, a little. Too many anarchists in 19th-century
>>>> > Europe--Bakunin, Proudhon, Salverio Friscia--were Masons for it to be
>>>> pure
>>>> > chance. Lovers of global conspiracy, not all of them Catholic, can
>>>> count on
>>>> > the Masons for a few good shivers and voids when all else fails.
>>>> >
>>>> > What are "shivers and voids" exactly, especially "voids"?
>>>> -
>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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