GR translation: can count on the Masons for a few good shivers and voids

[jochen stremmel]

I doubt that this was Pynchon's intended meaning. I think it is "shivers"
like goosebumps (on your outside) and "voids" like holes, a sudden
emptiness or hollowness (in your inside) for what the Masons (those Masons)
are good for. Nothing to do with pissing.

2015-03-18 3:07 GMT+01:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:

> If this was Pynchon's intended meaning it is clear that he embeds
> understanding.  Like Nabakov's stuff, this is an elitist level of
> reference, unless pynch assumes we all know this shit.
>
> David Morris
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think you are right.  From the OED:
>>
>> *B.* n.1
>> ......
>> 9. Med. An emptying of the bladder.
>>
>> Thanks everyone who responded.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Danny Weltman <danny.weltman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have the book next to me, but I think shivers and voids would be
>>> "piss shivers" (the sensation of becoming cold while urinating) and voiding
>>> one's bowels, a euphemism for shitting your pants. The implication here
>>> being that if all else fails, conspiracy theorists can scare each other by
>>> pointing out the grasp the Illuminati has on the world.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:19 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, I think Mark is right, it's about scares that can give you
>>>> shivers, but I would take void as a noun, too:
>>>>
>>>> 1 a completely empty space: the black void of space.
>>>> • an emptiness caused by the loss of something: the void left by the
>>>> death of his wife.
>>>> • an unfilled space in a wall, building, or structure;
>>>>
>>>> and from the Thesaurus:
>>>>
>>>> noun
>>>> the void of space: vacuum, emptiness, nothingness, nullity, blankness,
>>>> vacuity; empty space, blank space, space, gap, cavity, chasm, abyss, gulf,
>>>> pit, black hole
>>>>
>>>> esp. the abysses, the pits, the black holes ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-03-16 11:08 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest an extrapolation of the below, #2 is the main meaning.
>>>>> Overall, the sentence sez the global conspiracy scares
>>>>> one.
>>>>>
>>>>> verb
>>>>> 3rd person present: voids
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> NORTH AMERICAN
>>>>> declare that (something) is not valid or legally binding.
>>>>> "the Supreme Court voided the statute"
>>>>> synonyms:invalidate, annul, nullify; More
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> discharge or drain away (water, gases, etc.).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Mike Jing
>>>>> <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > V587.26-35   Some of the American Founding Fathers were Masons, for
>>>>> instance
>>>>> > There is a theory going around that the U.S.A. was and still is a
>>>>> gigantic
>>>>> > Masonic plot under the ultimate control of the group known as the
>>>>> > Illuminati. It is difficult to look for long at the strange single
>>>>> eye
>>>>> > crowning the pyramid which is found on every dollar bill and not
>>>>> begin to
>>>>> > believe the story, a little. Too many anarchists in 19th-century
>>>>> > Europe--Bakunin, Proudhon, Salverio Friscia--were Masons for it to
>>>>> be pure
>>>>> > chance. Lovers of global conspiracy, not all of them Catholic, can
>>>>> count on
>>>>> > the Masons for a few good shivers and voids when all else fails.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > What are "shivers and voids" exactly, especially "voids"?
>>>>> -
>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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