GR translation: can count on the Masons for a few good shivers and voids

[jochen stremmel]

Sorry! Here's the edited version:

I doubt that this was Pynchon's intended meaning. I think it is "shivers"
like goosebumps (on your outside) and "voids" like holes, a sudden
emptiness or hollowness (in your inside) what the Masons (those Masons) are
good for. Nothing to do with pissing.

2015-03-18 9:47 GMT+01:00 jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>:

> I doubt that this was Pynchon's intended meaning. I think it is "shivers"
> like goosebumps (on your outside) and "voids" like holes, a sudden
> emptiness or hollowness (in your inside) for what the Masons (those Masons)
> are good for. Nothing to do with pissing.
>
> 2015-03-18 3:07 GMT+01:00 David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>:
>
>> If this was Pynchon's intended meaning it is clear that he embeds
>> understanding.  Like Nabakov's stuff, this is an elitist level of
>> reference, unless pynch assumes we all know this shit.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 17, 2015, Mike Jing <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you are right.  From the OED:
>>>
>>> *B.* n.1
>>> ......
>>> 9. Med. An emptying of the bladder.
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone who responded.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:19 PM, Danny Weltman <danny.weltman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I don't have the book next to me, but I think shivers and voids would
>>>> be "piss shivers" (the sensation of becoming cold while urinating) and
>>>> voiding one's bowels, a euphemism for shitting your pants. The implication
>>>> here being that if all else fails, conspiracy theorists can scare each
>>>> other by pointing out the grasp the Illuminati has on the world.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:19 AM, jochen stremmel <jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I think Mark is right, it's about scares that can give you
>>>>> shivers, but I would take void as a noun, too:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1 a completely empty space: the black void of space.
>>>>> • an emptiness caused by the loss of something: the void left by the
>>>>> death of his wife.
>>>>> • an unfilled space in a wall, building, or structure;
>>>>>
>>>>> and from the Thesaurus:
>>>>>
>>>>> noun
>>>>> the void of space: vacuum, emptiness, nothingness, nullity, blankness,
>>>>> vacuity; empty space, blank space, space, gap, cavity, chasm, abyss, gulf,
>>>>> pit, black hole
>>>>>
>>>>> esp. the abysses, the pits, the black holes ...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2015-03-16 11:08 GMT+01:00 Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would suggest an extrapolation of the below, #2 is the main meaning.
>>>>>> Overall, the sentence sez the global conspiracy scares
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> verb
>>>>>> 3rd person present: voids
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>> NORTH AMERICAN
>>>>>> declare that (something) is not valid or legally binding.
>>>>>> "the Supreme Court voided the statute"
>>>>>> synonyms:invalidate, annul, nullify; More
>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>> discharge or drain away (water, gases, etc.).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 4:51 AM, Mike Jing
>>>>>> <gravitys.rainbow.cn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > V587.26-35   Some of the American Founding Fathers were Masons, for
>>>>>> instance
>>>>>> > There is a theory going around that the U.S.A. was and still is a
>>>>>> gigantic
>>>>>> > Masonic plot under the ultimate control of the group known as the
>>>>>> > Illuminati. It is difficult to look for long at the strange single
>>>>>> eye
>>>>>> > crowning the pyramid which is found on every dollar bill and not
>>>>>> begin to
>>>>>> > believe the story, a little. Too many anarchists in 19th-century
>>>>>> > Europe--Bakunin, Proudhon, Salverio Friscia--were Masons for it to
>>>>>> be pure
>>>>>> > chance. Lovers of global conspiracy, not all of them Catholic, can
>>>>>> count on
>>>>>> > the Masons for a few good shivers and voids when all else fails.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > What are "shivers and voids" exactly, especially "voids"?
>>>>>> -
>>>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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