Europe having its own 9/11 right now. Turn on the news.

[Paul Mackin]

Some remarkable posts today.

It may tragedy to get people really talking.

Thanks, all.

Incidentally, I didn't take Mark's words saying, look Europe over there,
now you know what it's like. He was just doing what Steven said about
showing empathy.

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On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 1:23 PM, Momò Nin <momonin at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't know either.
> I just feel deeply sad for the disaster and also for people's reaction.
>
> when I saw Mark's post,
> I understood it, I didn't think its a wrong title, but it wasn't correct
> to me either.
> at least I felt I could share a "consensus" by reading it.
>
> I am a taiwanese, educated in south italy, now living and working in
> dublin, ireland,
> my facebook is always a fantastic field for me to discover how people
> could care the same matter so differently.
> (i have friends from all over the asia...right/left wing italians...and
> many more)
> So, the "consensus" I read today was wonderful.
>
> Dave Monroe was lucky for a day like today.
>
> beasie the is bullshit,
> my complains are mainly about all the english speaking medias.
> they are all unfair in relaity...
>
> Peace and hugs
>
> Momò
>
>
>
>
> On 14 November 2015 at 17:38, Steven Koteff <steviekoteff at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Oh I dunno. I mean it kind of seems to me like interpreting the suffering
>> of others via our own closer experience of it is probably foundational to
>> the phenomenon of empathy. Right? I mean isn't that one of the nobler
>> applications of our fundamental tendency toward self-centeredness? Yes, I
>> can see how doing so via labelling an act of terror a different (and
>> therefore maybe by definition lesser) version of some original (in this
>> case 9/11) might seem not the absolute most sensitive/aware of all possible
>> avenues for talking about this.
>>
>> But, like, as a follower but infrequent participant of this list, I was
>> very moved by the instinctive collectivization of grief and love for Dave
>> Monroe yesterday.
>>
>> When I read about the Paris shit, I instantly thought of this list.
>> Because one can see, instantly, the horrible potential long-term ripples
>> (like, military ripples, international ripples, historical ripples) of
>> something like this. Which made me feel kind of worried about the way the
>> French and the world would respond/change. And made me feel inadequate to
>> really understand the situation. But then it made me feel good to think of
>> this community. Made me feel like there was a transnational space in which
>> love permeated such membranes as country et al. And in which there were
>> people who could communicate in any variety of ways about extremely
>> difficult shit, all toward some better end (or none at all, unlike[...]).
>>
>> Being sensitive/empathetic in the wrong way is maybe not the most
>> deserving (or productive) victim of our scorn today. [My humble opining.]
>>
>> I would like to express a lot of sadness for The Paris Shit. I visited
>> there for the first time in the fall and while that shouldn't increase
>> one's personal grief for something like this, especially in light of all
>> the other countries experiencing their own version of The Shit, it does,
>> and did for me. But then also I do not mean to imply that I am more
>> impacted than anyone else; I'm not. I would like anyone who is impacted to
>> know that they have my sympathy and love and, if they want it, my
>> attention--and in doing so I might think it wise to express that I was sort
>> of witness to a massive and unjustifiable and horrifying act of terror in
>> my own country (but don't mean to diminish what's going on in theirs, or to
>> them). Etc. Suddenly I'm more focused on qualifying my love and support and
>> grief than feeling it. Or, Jesus, enacting it.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 11:03 AM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To parse the tragedy at Bataclan as It Happened To America First is
>>> crass. We know what you meant, but the american branding of crisis
>>> isn't applicable, particularly in re: Europe, which has suffered
>>> zealotry far harder than americans have any emotional metric for. I'm
>>> sure a couple of Londoners thought 7-7 but even a Hackney crackhead
>>> has more class than to say Ich Bin Ein Berliner about this madness.
>>> Sept 11th is a measure for naval gazing, not catastrophe.
>>> -
>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
>>>
>>
>>
>
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