Bleeding Edge, pp. 312-313

Mon Nov 16 15:45:32 CST 2015

Did you counter with: you shouldn't watch so much TV?

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Perry Noid <coolwithdoc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Reminds me of when I was watching the news of the theater shooting in
> Aurora with my aunt, who is clueless about all the books she sees me reading,
> and the news anchor mentions the kid spent a lot of time studying. My aunt
> looked at me, almost horrified, and said, "you shouldn't read so much."
>
>
> On Monday, November 16, 2015, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Again, this is not to say that sexual frustration or bitter misogyny
>> leads directly to mass murder. If it did, we would live in a very dangerous
>> world indeed. But they cannot be dismissed as factors. It has long been
>> assumed that young men are better fighters when they are deprived of sex,
>> like slavering dogs fighting in a pit.
>>
>> Extremism: the loser's revenge
>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/25/terrorism.comment
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:36 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Journey to Jihad
>>> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/01/journey-to-jihad
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:34 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Losers, then. That the people you mention put their love into art or
>>>> music or some other constructive and creative passion argues my point. Of
>>>> course my emphasis on the sexual frustrations is a bit hyperbolic, but my
>>>> point is that these boys were not brilliantly coordinating a war plan but
>>>> were losers who were easily exploited. And, while we need to condemn their
>>>> atrocities, we need no elevate their stupid and senseless acts of murder to
>>>> a war that we can only win if NATO bombs even more people, drones even more
>>>> people and etc.
>>>>
>>>> These were losers. Like the idiots up in Boston. Like the boys wielding
>>>> knives in Israel....etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 1:45 PM, <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's way too easy to write these guys off as losers who can't get
>>>>> laid. Hey, I've known plenty of people who've never had a serious
>>>>> relationship, and rarely, if ever have gotten laid. They channel their
>>>>> frustration into obsessions with art, film, music. You know the type.
>>>>> Should we start pointing fingers at anyone who hasn't been in a
>>>>> relationship?
>>>>>
>>>>> That Guardian article Mark posted makes it clear: ISIS attracts many
>>>>> people with solid people skills, who, in turn are able to spend hours and
>>>>> hours on line, luring others (girls as well as boys) into the movement. Few
>>>>> losers-who-can't-get-laid have that amount of social finesse. And a big
>>>>> selling point is the trading of a humdrum life for the romance of fighting
>>>>> and/or dying for the "cause." Sure, it's easier to lure in the mentally
>>>>> ill, the lonely, the broke. But their ability to lure in romantics and
>>>>> idealists, and skew their world-view so much that the death of innocents -
>>>>> even little Muslim kids - becomes lost in the swell of glory of the cause,
>>>>> well, that's the truly scary part.
>>>>>
>>>>> It emphasizes the stupidity of cracking down on the Occupy encampments
>>>>> - they provided a solid grounding point for restless romantics. We need
>>>>> more of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: ish mailian
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Nov 16, 2015 11:11 AM
>>>>>
>>>>> To: Pynchon-l at waste.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Bleeding Edge, pp. 312-313
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, they are losers. They tried to fit in, to have a girl....these
>>>>> boys and the men who sent them to an early grave did not act heroically,
>>>>> this was no  "brilliantly coordinated act of war" (the Esquire article);
>>>>> that the fools exploded their vests, spilling their guts outside the
>>>>> stadium is evidence that they were boys sent on a mission, like the boys
>>>>> who marched across minefields, like so many boys in war....
>>>>> Poor boys. Never even made love. They never made war either.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:03 AM, David Kilroy <
>>>>> thesaintgodard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> These 'losers' are indoctrinated and brainwashed same as any marine
>>>>>
>>>>> sniper. As damaged, in their way, as any Starkweather. To simplify
>>>>>
>>>>> them as Losers is too 2-D, too subjective, too dismissive. These
>>>>>
>>>>> people, their worldview, has to be understood to be effectively
>>>>>
>>>>> opposed. Not everyone who opts for celibacy hates sex. Sex is life but
>>>>>
>>>>> it isn't the only reason to live. Additionally it's a fair bet the
>>>>>
>>>>> bombers wanked as much as anyone. The 100 percent celibate is very,
>>>>>
>>>>> very rare. Masturbation may be self-love but it's hardly a substitute
>>>>>
>>>>> for empathy. Empathy is what's damaged in these killers: they're
>>>>>
>>>>> taught to not see humanity but an evidence of humanity's failure in
>>>>>
>>>>> the eyes of Allah. WE are the 'losers' to them: we are the Them to
>>>>>
>>>>> their Us. Sex alone cannot cure that psychosis.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/16/15, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Even the losers get lucky sometimes. But these losers, boys for the
>>>>> most
>>>>>
>>>>> > part, don't get that, so they hate themselves, hate women, hate sex,
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> > sport, and rock and roll and restaurants and good food and drink,
>>>>> and a
>>>>>
>>>>> > good time. How unfortunate. To aggrandize the anxiety of these
>>>>> losers, to
>>>>>
>>>>> > make them ideological spokesmen of the Palestinian plight, the
>>>>>
>>>>> > Post-Colonial rebound, the effect of Orientalists and Oil, is silly.
>>>>> These
>>>>>
>>>>> > boys are losers. Masturbation may have prevented this, and a good
>>>>> night out
>>>>>
>>>>> > and some sex would have surely.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Jochen Stremmel <
>>>>> jstremmel at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Come now, you who say,
>>>>>
>>>>> >> <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jas4.13-15#footnote1>“Today
>>>>>
>>>>> >> or tomorrow we will go into such and such a town and spend a year
>>>>> there
>>>>>
>>>>> >> and
>>>>>
>>>>> >> trade and make a profit”— yet you do not know what tomorrow will
>>>>> bring.
>>>>>
>>>>> >> What is your life? For
>>>>>
>>>>> >> <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jas4.13-15#footnote2>you
>>>>>
>>>>> >> are a mist that appears for a little time and then vanishes.
>>>>> Instead you
>>>>>
>>>>> >> ought to say, <https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jas4.13-15#footnote3>“If
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> >> Lord wills, we will live and do this or that.”
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> 2015-11-16 11:12 GMT+01:00 Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> Hm.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 5:02 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <
>>>>>
>>>>> >>> lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>    In the taxi on the way home, there's loud traffic in Arabic on
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> radio, which Maxine figures at first for a call-in show till the
>>>>> cabbie
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> picks up a handset and joins in. She glances at the ID up on the
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> Plexiglas.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> The face in the photo is too indistinct to make out, but the name
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> Islamic, Mohammed somebody.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>    It's like hearing a party from another room, though Maxine
>>>>> notices
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> there's no music, no laughing. High emotion all right, but closer
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> tears
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> or anger. Men talking over each other, shouting, interrupting. A
>>>>> couple
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> of
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> the voices might be women's, though later it will seem they could
>>>>> have
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> belonged to high-pitched men. The only word Maxine recognizes,
>>>>> and she
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> hears it more than once, is *Inshallah*. "Arabic for 'whatever,'"
>>>>> Horst
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> nods.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>    They're waiting at a light. "If it is God's will," the driver
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> corrects him, half turning in his seat so that Maxine happens to
>>>>> be
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> looking
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> him in the face. What she sees there will keep her from getting to
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> sleep
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>> right away. Or that's how she'll remember it.
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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