Bleeding Edge, pp. 312-313

[Keith Davis]

"probably a fair amount of elements within the movements that has nothing
to do with religion".
Good point. Even "religion" has very little to do with religion. More about
being on a team...

We are all losers in this fight.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 8:26 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 5:59 PM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> Mark's point is too easily glossed over, and it dovetails with Laura's:
>> among these jihadists there are more than a few who are "successful" people
>> with fulfilling lives, careers-- even families, yet they are fundamentally
>> dissatisfied with the powers dominating the world.  They may have had
>> alternative outlets for their combative desires but they chose martyrdom
>> because they feel essentially powerless.  Though their methods are
>> abominable it's hard to argue with that sentiment.  We are all quite
>> powerless in this respect.
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> there have been reports that behind al baghdadi are the remnants of
> Saddam's intelligence/secret police. hardly suicide bomber material. In
> fact, there's a certain expertise that these people have accumulated over
> the years and fully taken advantages of via the Iraqi insurgency and the
> the eventual breakdown of Assad's regime in Syria. Hardly the Zarqawi
> fanatics with these guys. They were never very religious, using the mask of
> Islam for their own purposes, much like Saddam did. I dont think
> powerlessness plays into it; I think hot and heavy revenge.
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> 'Jihadists choose violence because ultimately there is some measure of
> brotherhood & solace in their "mission", inflicting the only pain it can on
> a thankless, embittered power structure wholly lacking compassion and
> patience for losers.  And we're all losers down here on the street.'
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> if one is paranoid and us with our brainwashed foolish soldiers, why not
> for the other side as well--there are plenty of misdirected lost men (and
> women--let's not forget the black widows of Chechnya) to be used as cannon
> fodder--it worked for the PLO, Hamas, Islamic Jihad. My point is that there
> is a hierarchy utilizing the tools available to some end, couched in
> jihad--I would argue there are probably a fair amount of elements within
> the movements that has nothing to do with religion
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> and yes we are all losers in this fight
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> rich
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