NP - Houellebecq on Paris attacks

[rich]

shit that would be neat to see. the novelist reclaiming lost ground to the
terrorist,eh?.
rich

https://delillosociety.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/don-delillo-fiction-rescues-history-conference-paris-february-18-20-2016/

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:08 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Elementary particles was wonderful
>
> rich
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Mark Sacha <msacha1121 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My French is nonexistent. For what it's worth the only Houellebecq I've
>> touched is The Map and the Territory and apart from the overplayed bitter
>> man beds beautiful women stuff, I found it massively funny (I think the
>> English translator of Submission has also mentioned it's more of a satire
>> than the right-wing paranoia-fest it's assumed to be). Merci, all.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> > On Nov 20, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Mark Sacha <msacha1121 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Very much on the fence about reading this one. The Huysmans stuff
>>>> sounds more compelling to me than the French caving in angle... maybe I
>>>> should just pick up some Zola instead.
>>>> >
>>>> > Looking forward to what you have to say.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 10:43 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > just started Submission and will probably post something about it
>>>> when I'm done.
>>>> >
>>>> > the essay is classicly overdramatic and overreached. much to be
>>>> expected. however it is hard to argue with the last two paragraphs, except
>>>> the last two lines. im not sure what direct democracy is, France being ever
>>>> governed by mother Paris
>>>> >
>>>> > what makes maybe an essay somehat buffoonish works better in fiction
>>>> or so I think reading 1/4 of Submission
>>>> >
>>>> > rich
>>>> >
>>>> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 4:05 AM, matthew cissell <mccissell at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/21/opinion/how-frances-leaders-failed-its-people.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region&_r=
>>>> >
>>>> > Ecce Houellebecq. The Author has spoken, too bad he didn't choose
>>>> silence.
>>>> >
>>>> > The title blames the leaders. In his second paragraph he attributes
>>>> the 1986 atttacks to Hezbollah. (Let's pass over his moaning about the lack
>>>> of a Churchill like leader, but recall what Brecht said in Galileo about
>>>> the need for leaders.) Then Chez Michel sez the blame is widely shared, but
>>>> then in the next line he's back to blaming leaders. So which is it Michel?
>>>> >
>>>> > Howlabook claims that the "essential mission" of the government is to
>>>> protect the population. Guess he didn't study Poli-sci.
>>>> >
>>>> > Perhaps someone should remind Monsieur H. that the only people
>>>> responsible for the attacks are the people who perpetrated them.
>>>> >
>>>> > Mon. H. would like to be Zola but this is not his lineage. Michel
>>>> Houellebecq belongs to the line Joseph de Miastre, Maurice Barres, and
>>>> Charles Maurras.
>>>> >
>>>> > But is his piece not also part of the game? An essay here or there
>>>> following on some book release to bump up the numbers, not a rational act
>>>> following rules but a feel for the game - "Now is the time for this!" A
>>>> controversial piece to make sure your name stays in the news for some days.
>>>> (Think back to how Baudrillard made the most out of events by saying
>>>> something supposedly profound - Iraq war and 2001 attacks.) His blip is
>>>> growing, and perhaps I should not contribute to it, but when you hear
>>>> idiocy proclaimed as wisdom it is incumbent upon you to respond.
>>>> >
>>>> > Pauvre France. there must be more than Houellebecq and BS Henri Levy.
>>>> Sure makes me miss Bourdieu.
>>>> >
>>>> > ciao
>>>> > mc otis
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
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