Brilliantly, sadly observed

[Paul Mackin]

Thanks, Johnny, for the more balanced view.

P

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 1:23 AM, Johnny Marr <marrja at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any country trying to hold the balance of power ends up supporting a future
> enemy. Britain stopped Russia from crushing the Ottoman Empire in 1878 - how
> different the world could have been.
>
> On Friday, November 27, 2015, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Americans sort of do have a penchant for arming a faction that later
>> proves to be a bitter enemy.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 3:41 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Did we pretty much midwife an Islamic state? No. We did not. That is
>> > sound
>> > bite.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Considering we pretty much midwived the existence of the Islamic State
>> >> I
>> >> don't think we merit much understanding.
>> >>
>> >> Not for a second saying the terrorists are right, but I understand
>> >> precisely why we're perceived as the great satan.  Our government has
>> >> done
>> >> everything in its power to destabilize the middle east, murder &
>> >> impoverish
>> >> hundreds of thousands of people and it's an absolute fucking disgrace.
>> >>
>> >> http://thedollop.libsyn.com/122-the-iraq-war
>> >>
>> >> Professional comedians can't even manage to make jokes about it.  It's
>> >> just an abysmal state of affairs.  Our government has made its
>> >> citizenry
>> >> complicit in wars where we refuse to keep a body count or allow
>> >> ourselves to
>> >> be held accountable to international law.  We've held POWs for over a
>> >> decade
>> >> without trial.  How has that made us secure?  MY GOVERNMENT HAS MADE ME
>> >> COMPLICIT IN WAR CRIMES.  The people in Guantanamo are hostages,
>> >> political
>> >> pawns who have been abused physically & mentally, and no amount of
>> >> therapy
>> >> will heal that.  Call me naive all you want: this shit matters.  We
>> >> look
>> >> like fucking barbarians.
>> >>
>> >> The U.S. hasn't made things any more secure.  It's made American
>> >> citizens
>> >> targets wherever we go: U.S. policies have created a climate of hatred
>> >> &
>> >> danger for citizens traveling abroad.  It's infuriating.  We're losers
>> >> for
>> >> believing we're in any way righteous.
>> >
>> >
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