Brilliantly, sadly observed

[Johnny Marr]

Any country trying to hold the balance of power ends up supporting a future
enemy. Britain stopped Russia from crushing the Ottoman Empire in 1878 -
how different the world could have been.

On Friday, November 27, 2015, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> Americans sort of do have a penchant for arming a faction that later
> proves to be a bitter enemy.
>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 3:41 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > Did we pretty much midwife an Islamic state? No. We did not. That is
> sound
> > bite.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Kilroy <thesaintgodard at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Considering we pretty much midwived the existence of the Islamic State I
> >> don't think we merit much understanding.
> >>
> >> Not for a second saying the terrorists are right, but I understand
> >> precisely why we're perceived as the great satan.  Our government has
> done
> >> everything in its power to destabilize the middle east, murder &
> impoverish
> >> hundreds of thousands of people and it's an absolute fucking disgrace.
> >>
> >> http://thedollop.libsyn.com/122-the-iraq-war
> >>
> >> Professional comedians can't even manage to make jokes about it.  It's
> >> just an abysmal state of affairs.  Our government has made its citizenry
> >> complicit in wars where we refuse to keep a body count or allow
> ourselves to
> >> be held accountable to international law.  We've held POWs for over a
> decade
> >> without trial.  How has that made us secure?  MY GOVERNMENT HAS MADE ME
> >> COMPLICIT IN WAR CRIMES.  The people in Guantanamo are hostages,
> political
> >> pawns who have been abused physically & mentally, and no amount of
> therapy
> >> will heal that.  Call me naive all you want: this shit matters.  We look
> >> like fucking barbarians.
> >>
> >> The U.S. hasn't made things any more secure.  It's made American
> citizens
> >> targets wherever we go: U.S. policies have created a climate of hatred &
> >> danger for citizens traveling abroad.  It's infuriating.  We're losers
> for
> >> believing we're in any way righteous.
> >
> >
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