Fwd: Brilliantly, sadly observed

[Paul Mackin]

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From: Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Brilliantly, sadly observed
To: Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net>


I don't recall seeing our mainstream media labeling our attacks
"terrorist," but they certainly report on the various operations, including
those with many civilian casualties.

I believe that this kind of preference or leeway given our side over their
side is just the way the world is. You would like something different I
know.

P

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Add unsophisticated, trite, worn out, muddled by the passions to the list
> of insults which are supposed to be some kind of argument.
>
> Show me where mainstream media is pasting the terrorism label on the
> West.  I assume since this is so common you could come up with several
> examples. One maybe? Or do you just make this shit up?
>
> >
> >> On Nov 28, 2015, at 11:12 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> My bad. The arguments advanced are unsophisticated, too focused on the
> rants and sound bites, the trite and worn out phrases in the media. We, the
> US, did not give birth to ISIS. Repeating this mantra of the media, pasting
> the terrorism label on the West...etc.... undermines the thesis, one that I
> agree with, but one that requires that the facts are set out and not
> muddled by the passions.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> >> These are not arguments, they are insults; sound bite, rant, hand
> wringing, naive.  You are not getting published, and are not a respected
> political voice and there are many highly qualified observers who say
> fundamentally what I am saying. This POV is not a product of naivety but of
> sane and equable moral evaluation. You talk as though The US army and
> commerce brings peace and stability wherever it goes, but there is a
> shitload of evidence against that premise. It is the mainstream press that
> is suspect and produces reams of meaningless propaganda and is most often
> caught lying, along with the military.
> >>> On Nov 27, 2015, at 3:41 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Did we pretty much midwife an Islamic state? No. We did not. That is
> sound bite.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Kilroy <
> thesaintgodard at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Considering we pretty much midwived the existence of the Islamic State
> I don't think we merit much understanding.
> >>>
> >>> Not for a second saying the terrorists are right, but I understand
> precisely why we're perceived as the great satan.  Our government has done
> everything in its power to destabilize the middle east, murder & impoverish
> hundreds of thousands of people and it's an absolute fucking disgrace.
> >>>
> >>> http://thedollop.libsyn.com/122-the-iraq-war
> >>> ​
> >>> Professional comedians can't even manage to make jokes about it.  It's
> just an abysmal state of affairs.  Our government has made its citizenry
> complicit in wars where we refuse to keep a body count or allow ourselves
> to be held accountable to international law.  We've held POWs for over a
> decade without trial.  How has that made us secure?  MY GOVERNMENT HAS MADE
> ME COMPLICIT IN WAR CRIMES.  The people in Guantanamo are hostages,
> political pawns who have been abused physically & mentally, and no amount
> of therapy will heal that.  Call me naive all you want: this shit matters.
> We look like fucking barbarians.
> >>>
> >>> The U.S. hasn't made things any more secure.  It's made American
> citizens targets wherever we go: U.S. policies have created a climate of
> hatred & danger for citizens traveling abroad.  It's infuriating.  We're
> losers for believing we're in any way righteous.
> >>>
> >>
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