Re: What Do We Really Know About Osama bin Laden’s Death?

[Keith Davis]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I sent this because....important. And, I'm not going to argue about
> the 'kill mission"...(there was just a little wiggle room as stated)
>
> But, I think the article makes this point (compared to Yoo and Bush's
> team)....Obama asked IN ADVANCE for the parameters, for
> what was legal.....I think he meant that.....
>
> Therefore it wasn't self-justied after the fact rationalization. Maybe.
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Thomas Eckhardt
> <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> > If we suppose what we have heard about bin Laden's death at the hands of
> > Navy SEALs in 2011 is true...
> >
> > From the NYT (and not from Michael Gordon or Judith Miller):
> >
> > 'Weeks before President Obama ordered the raid on Osama bin Laden’s
> compound
> > in May 2011, four administration lawyers developed rationales intended to
> > overcome any legal obstacles — and made it all but inevitable that Navy
> > SEALs would kill the fugitive Qaeda leader, not capture him.
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > 'By the end, one official said, the lawyers concluded that there was
> “clear
> > and ample authority for the use of lethal force under U.S. and
> international
> > law.”'
> >
> >
> > It was a kill mission. This has always been my and, I suspect, most
> people's
> > impression. Nice to have corroboration. And thank you for providing the
> > link.
> >
> > According to the administration lawyers it was perfectly legal.
> >
> >
> > Somehow this reminds me of John Yoo:
> >
> > "On December 1, 2005, Yoo appeared in a debate in Chicago with Doug
> Cassel,
> > a law professor from the University of Notre Dame. During the debate,
> Cassel
> > asked Yoo,
> >
> > 'If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by
> > crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can
> stop
> > him?', to which Yoo replied 'No treaty.' Cassel followed up with 'Also no
> > law by Congress—that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo', to which
> > Yoo replied 'I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to
> do
> > that.'"
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo
> >
> > When the President does it, it's not illegal.
> >
> >
> > I did not shed a tear for Osama bin Laden whereas I find Yoo's remark
> > outrageous, as I am sure most of you do. In both cases, however, I
> perceive
> > this as being essentially about the rule of law and due process as
> opposed
> > to the imperial presidency aka, give or take a little, fascism.
> >
> > Who knows, perhaps at some point the President will not only kill foreign
> > terrorists but also kill US citizens he deems terrorists instead of
> putting
> > them on trial or trying to have them extradited.
> >
> > Oh wait, he already did that...
> >
> >
> > Of course, you don't have to worry about legal niceties if you have
> Deputy
> > Assistant U.S. Attorney Generals like Yoo or administration lawyers like
> the
> > ones mentioned by the NYT: Their job is to make the law conform to what
> the
> > Government in any given moment does.
> >
> > This is not the way these things are supposed to work in a democracy.
> >
> >
> > P.S. Our Chancellor joined in the chorus and thought it fit to greet the
> > demise of bin Laden in words eerily reminiscent of the Joker's "I am glad
> > that you are dead." from Tim Burton's first Batman movie (even if she
> > bungled the exact wording and thereby lost some of the evil villain
> effect):
> >
> > '"I am glad that it was successful, the killing of bin Laden," she said.'
> >
> >
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/celebrating-death-merkel-comments-on-bin-laden-killing-draw-criticism-a-760580.html
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