Re: What Do We Really Know About Osama bin Laden’s Death?

[Keith Davis]

http://topinfopost.com/2013/05/06/osama-bin-laden-died-of-natural-causes-according-to-former-cia-agent

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Keith Davis <kbob42 at gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.foxnews.com/story/2001/12/26/report-bin-laden-already-dead.html
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:56 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I sent this because....important. And, I'm not going to argue about
>> the 'kill mission"...(there was just a little wiggle room as stated)
>>
>> But, I think the article makes this point (compared to Yoo and Bush's
>> team)....Obama asked IN ADVANCE for the parameters, for
>> what was legal.....I think he meant that.....
>>
>> Therefore it wasn't self-justied after the fact rationalization. Maybe.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Thomas Eckhardt
>> <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>> > If we suppose what we have heard about bin Laden's death at the hands of
>> > Navy SEALs in 2011 is true...
>> >
>> > From the NYT (and not from Michael Gordon or Judith Miller):
>> >
>> > 'Weeks before President Obama ordered the raid on Osama bin Laden’s
>> compound
>> > in May 2011, four administration lawyers developed rationales intended
>> to
>> > overcome any legal obstacles — and made it all but inevitable that Navy
>> > SEALs would kill the fugitive Qaeda leader, not capture him.
>> >
>> > (...)
>> >
>> > 'By the end, one official said, the lawyers concluded that there was
>> “clear
>> > and ample authority for the use of lethal force under U.S. and
>> international
>> > law.”'
>> >
>> >
>> > It was a kill mission. This has always been my and, I suspect, most
>> people's
>> > impression. Nice to have corroboration. And thank you for providing the
>> > link.
>> >
>> > According to the administration lawyers it was perfectly legal.
>> >
>> >
>> > Somehow this reminds me of John Yoo:
>> >
>> > "On December 1, 2005, Yoo appeared in a debate in Chicago with Doug
>> Cassel,
>> > a law professor from the University of Notre Dame. During the debate,
>> Cassel
>> > asked Yoo,
>> >
>> > 'If the President deems that he's got to torture somebody, including by
>> > crushing the testicles of the person's child, there is no law that can
>> stop
>> > him?', to which Yoo replied 'No treaty.' Cassel followed up with 'Also
>> no
>> > law by Congress—that is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo', to
>> which
>> > Yoo replied 'I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to
>> do
>> > that.'"
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Yoo
>> >
>> > When the President does it, it's not illegal.
>> >
>> >
>> > I did not shed a tear for Osama bin Laden whereas I find Yoo's remark
>> > outrageous, as I am sure most of you do. In both cases, however, I
>> perceive
>> > this as being essentially about the rule of law and due process as
>> opposed
>> > to the imperial presidency aka, give or take a little, fascism.
>> >
>> > Who knows, perhaps at some point the President will not only kill
>> foreign
>> > terrorists but also kill US citizens he deems terrorists instead of
>> putting
>> > them on trial or trying to have them extradited.
>> >
>> > Oh wait, he already did that...
>> >
>> >
>> > Of course, you don't have to worry about legal niceties if you have
>> Deputy
>> > Assistant U.S. Attorney Generals like Yoo or administration lawyers
>> like the
>> > ones mentioned by the NYT: Their job is to make the law conform to what
>> the
>> > Government in any given moment does.
>> >
>> > This is not the way these things are supposed to work in a democracy.
>> >
>> >
>> > P.S. Our Chancellor joined in the chorus and thought it fit to greet the
>> > demise of bin Laden in words eerily reminiscent of the Joker's "I am
>> glad
>> > that you are dead." from Tim Burton's first Batman movie (even if she
>> > bungled the exact wording and thereby lost some of the evil villain
>> effect):
>> >
>> > '"I am glad that it was successful, the killing of bin Laden," she
>> said.'
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/celebrating-death-merkel-comments-on-bin-laden-killing-draw-criticism-a-760580.html
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