(np) Creepiness and BtZ42

[Mark Kohut]

Pynchon likes doubled characters, like Mischa & Grischa, lots of others.
Jessica & Scorpia are textually linked (by Pirate), although not overt
doubles as P indicates often.. Two women "taking" adulterous love but
staying within their social lives.

 Lawrentian women emotionally? (nah, don't think so. More like Bloomsbury
types.
 Upper class, We see Jessica's social snobbery and Scorpia is a scorpion,
so to easily read. That laugh is the sting that kills.

 The class that can afford flings; the social elite who are The Elect, by
analogy.

Yet they are loved; loved as wonderful embodiments of Womanhood?  (That's
about all we get)
P has men who lose it for love.





Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 19, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:

Laughed, I'm guessing, because she doesn't see the point or urgency of his
desire to change his/their life ("how does a man... where dos he even
begin, at age 33"...?)

It's as if to say "Poor Pirate, my little style accessory: if you have to
ask why I don't expect more than this, you'll never understand."



On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> What readings of THIS do we have?
>
> P36.  "But that's just it [in italics]", she'd have laughed."
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 18, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>
> > There is  irony here too. Pirate sees the pornographic creepiness he
> himself will not relinquish, where we know that RM will later see the
> bigger picture and rebel. To me this is describing the seductive come-on of
> empire, of being on the inside, having access to secrets. RM thought he had
> been seduced and married to the war until J S. We are about to move into
> their world.
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 18, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> To lasso this back into our Group Read, isn't it kind of " creepy" the
> way Roger Mexico's enthusiasm for the spying films grows? Like " witnessing
> an addiction", like a "pornography customer's reflex"--cf Creepiness
> below--, Pynchon sez.....and Pirate sez it looks like shame.
> >>
> >> Pynchon shows a creepy " probably to do with the Americans" world of
> shameful spying run by Behaviorists and Pavlovians, those supposed
> scientists pinning us like butterflies.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <
> lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> ... However, one-sample t-tests revealed that only four occupations
> were judged to be significantly higher than the neutral value of "3" on the
> creepiness rating scale: Clowns (...), Taxidermists (...), Sex Shop Owners
> (...), and Funeral Directors (...). Therefore, it appears that occupations
> associated with death (taxidermy and funeral directors) or reflective of a
> fascination with sex (sex shop owners) are perceived as creepy; clowns were
> the creepiest of all.  (...) Just for fun, we asked our participants to
> list two hobbies they considered as creepy. Easily, the most frequently
> mentioned creepy hobbies involved collecting things (listed by 341 of our
> participants). Collecting dolls, insects, reptiles, or body parts like
> teeth, bones, or fingernails was considered especially creepy. The second
> most frequently mentioned hobby (listed by 108 participants) involved some
> variation of "watching". (...) Everything that we found in this study is
> consistent with the notion that the perception of creepiness is a response
> to the ambiguity of threat. Males are more physically threatening to people
> of both sexes than are females (McAndrew 2009), and they were more likely
> to be perceived as creepy by males and females alike. (...) It might also
> have been enlightening to ask individuals to rate themselves on creepiness
> ... <
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jünger and Nabokov were collecting insects,
> >>> Bowie - in the 1970s - his fingernails.
> >>>
> >>> But what about the book collectors like you and me?
> >>> All sane and decidedly non-creepy ...
> >>>
> >>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Francis T. McAndrew and Sara S. Koehnke:
> >>>
> >>> (On the Nature of) CREEPINESS
> >>>
> >>> http://www.academia.edu/2465121/Creepiness
> >
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