(np) Creepiness and BtZ42

[Monte Davis]

Creepiness update:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/creepy-jobs-and-behaviour-patterns-identified-in-new-survey-a6990976.html

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pynchon likes doubled characters, like Mischa & Grischa, lots of others.
> Jessica & Scorpia are textually linked (by Pirate), although not overt
> doubles as P indicates often.. Two women "taking" adulterous love but
> staying within their social lives.
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>  Lawrentian women emotionally? (nah, don't think so. More like Bloomsbury
> types.
>  Upper class, We see Jessica's social snobbery and Scorpia is a scorpion,
> so to easily read. That laugh is the sting that kills.
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>  The class that can afford flings; the social elite who are The Elect, by
> analogy.
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> Yet they are loved; loved as wonderful embodiments of Womanhood?  (That's
> about all we get)
> P has men who lose it for love.
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 12:17 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Laughed, I'm guessing, because she doesn't see the point or urgency of his
> desire to change his/their life ("how does a man... where dos he even
> begin, at age 33"...?)
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> It's as if to say "Poor Pirate, my little style accessory: if you have to
> ask why I don't expect more than this, you'll never understand."
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> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> What readings of THIS do we have?
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>> P36.  "But that's just it [in italics]", she'd have laughed."
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 18, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
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>> > There is  irony here too. Pirate sees the pornographic creepiness he
>> himself will not relinquish, where we know that RM will later see the
>> bigger picture and rebel. To me this is describing the seductive come-on of
>> empire, of being on the inside, having access to secrets. RM thought he had
>> been seduced and married to the war until J S. We are about to move into
>> their world.
>> >
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>> >> On Apr 18, 2016, at 6:49 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To lasso this back into our Group Read, isn't it kind of " creepy" the
>> way Roger Mexico's enthusiasm for the spying films grows? Like " witnessing
>> an addiction", like a "pornography customer's reflex"--cf Creepiness
>> below--, Pynchon sez.....and Pirate sez it looks like shame.
>> >>
>> >> Pynchon shows a creepy " probably to do with the Americans" world of
>> shameful spying run by Behaviorists and Pavlovians, those supposed
>> scientists pinning us like butterflies.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
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>> >> On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:15 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen <
>> lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
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>> >>>> ... However, one-sample t-tests revealed that only four occupations
>> were judged to be significantly higher than the neutral value of "3" on the
>> creepiness rating scale: Clowns (...), Taxidermists (...), Sex Shop Owners
>> (...), and Funeral Directors (...). Therefore, it appears that occupations
>> associated with death (taxidermy and funeral directors) or reflective of a
>> fascination with sex (sex shop owners) are perceived as creepy; clowns were
>> the creepiest of all.  (...) Just for fun, we asked our participants to
>> list two hobbies they considered as creepy. Easily, the most frequently
>> mentioned creepy hobbies involved collecting things (listed by 341 of our
>> participants). Collecting dolls, insects, reptiles, or body parts like
>> teeth, bones, or fingernails was considered especially creepy. The second
>> most frequently mentioned hobby (listed by 108 participants) involved some
>> variation of "watching". (...) Everything that we found in this study is
>> consistent with the notion that the perception of creepiness is a response
>> to the ambiguity of threat. Males are more physically threatening to people
>> of both sexes than are females (McAndrew 2009), and they were more likely
>> to be perceived as creepy by males and females alike. (...) It might also
>> have been enlightening to ask individuals to rate themselves on creepiness
>> ... <
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Jünger and Nabokov were collecting insects,
>> >>> Bowie - in the 1970s - his fingernails.
>> >>>
>> >>> But what about the book collectors like you and me?
>> >>> All sane and decidedly non-creepy ...
>> >>>
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>> >>>
>> >>> Francis T. McAndrew and Sara S. Koehnke:
>> >>>
>> >>> (On the Nature of) CREEPINESS
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.academia.edu/2465121/Creepiness
>> >
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