NP - The Witch (movie)

[John Bailey]

I'm calling this for P-List thread of the year. I've wanted to see The
VVitch (that's how it was spelled here) for a while but wanted to
avoid spoilers, and every day I find not spoilers but tangents going
to god knows where. If this thread ever makes its way back to the
movie I'll be disappointed.
Anyway: what do we make of this idea that voting for Trump appeals as
a subversive act these days? In the last year I've read more and more
younger people make articulate defences of a turn towards conservatism
as a new kind of rebellion, and I think people in their teens and
twenties *should* rebel and question and interrogate the power
structures they're expected to inherit etc and I hope I'm still doing
the same now, but my, oh my. What would Pynchon make of it.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:06 PM, kelber at mindspring.com
<kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> Sadly, even heroin addicts have the right to vote. Perhaps the next time we
> can round them up and put them in internment camps, or even extermination
> camps. Would that meet with your approval?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't catch the reason these idiots voted for Trump. But their sad
> anti-existential reasons for nihilistic Trump voting is why we lost.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Sunday, December 18, 2016, kelber at mindspring.com <kelber at mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Michael Moore's pre-election analysis is absolutely spot-on,
>> post-election:
>>
>> http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
>>
>> Point 5 is particularly relevant for people to consider. My daughter
>> reports that a sub-set if her friends - millennials, by and large,
>> marginally employed, drug-addled, with no future - voted for Trump for this
>> very reason.
>>
>> LK
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Krugman, like so many who think like liberals with a conscience missed
>> something huge in the recent election and he still doesn't seem to
>> realize how wrong he was about the working people who supported Trump
>> and how the trade agreements with China and Mexico impacted wages.
>> Krugman, who defends trade, and the trade agreements (WTO, Most
>> Favored Trading Nation Status for China, for example )that stripped US
>> workers of wealth and job security argues that the US  jobs and the
>> benefits were lost to technology. This is false and those simple folk
>> Krugman claims to care about know it, even though he is a professor of
>> Economics,  has the Nobel in Economics and most of them don't have a
>> degree in anything. China's gain was the  US loss, in wages, job
>> security. Sure, the wealth got skewed more and more to the top 10%
>> under US Capitalism while in China the poor were lifted out of
>> poverty, so one could argue, as liberals often do, and did when the
>> unfair trade advantage was extended to China, that the US needed to
>> redistribute the wealth, educate, re-educate, invest in
>> infrastructure, productivity, workers...to offset the unfair trade
>> that raised the Chinese workers out of poverty and stripped US workers
>> of the wages, and that, in the long run, a China without poverty would
>> benefit not only China but the US, US workers, and the world. Not true
>> of course, but this was the thinking and Krugman was a big cheerleader
>> for it. Now he is reluctant to admit that he was wrong. The Liberals
>> got it wrong. At least from the American worker's point of view they
>> did. The US gave up a lot of manufacturing. It would shift to service
>> and knowledge economy. The shift, from Clinton through Bush and to
>> Obama, 24 years, failed. The Chinese took full advantage, and they
>> manipulated the currency to boot. Workers know this. Will Trump change
>> things?
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I look at the Times everyday and agree about the treatment of Hillary's
>> > silly emails, which clearly shouldn't have amounted to a row of beans in
>> > this crazy world. Krugman calls it false equivalency and says the
>> > mainstream
>> > press in general was guilty. He recently wrote a scathing piece on the
>> > subject.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Paul!
>> >>
>> >> I like the NYT grammarian.  Otherwise I hate the NYT for endlessly
>> >> persecuting Hillary's emails and not showcasing Trump's endless lies,
>> >> race-baiting, Putin-loving anti-NATO crap. I HATE the NYT.
>> >>
>> >> Just saying..
>> >> David Morris
>> >>
>> >> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> No more than any other English teacher would--Hi David.
>> >>>
>> >>> p
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 5:35 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> OK.  Is it no different than our English?  You quibble.  Do you have
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> point?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> David Morris
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Shakespeare's language is Modern English, not Old or Middle English.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:53 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> > http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-witch-2016
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > I'm only at the first third, but everything so far is layered in
>> >>>>> > deep
>> >>>>> > resonances.  The language is faithfully old English, but that's
>> >>>>> > not
>> >>>>> > the only
>> >>>>> > reason it reminds me of Shakespeare.  The drama is smart and real.
>> >>>>> > Cinematography is superb, as is the soundtrack.  In that regard
>> >>>>> > this
>> >>>>> > feels
>> >>>>> > like Kubrick, but without the symmetry and clean edges.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > David Morris
>> >>>>> -
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>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >
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