NP - The Witch (movie)

Mon Dec 19 04:59:23 CST 2016

If the Return of the Repressed is a deep theme in Pynchon, then he knew
this election
long ago; if resentment politics is a theme of the past election, then
Vineland was on it
decades ago.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:23 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm calling this for P-List thread of the year. I've wanted to see The
> VVitch (that's how it was spelled here) for a while but wanted to
> avoid spoilers, and every day I find not spoilers but tangents going
> to god knows where. If this thread ever makes its way back to the
> movie I'll be disappointed.
> Anyway: what do we make of this idea that voting for Trump appeals as
> a subversive act these days? In the last year I've read more and more
> younger people make articulate defences of a turn towards conservatism
> as a new kind of rebellion, and I think people in their teens and
> twenties *should* rebel and question and interrogate the power
> structures they're expected to inherit etc and I hope I'm still doing
> the same now, but my, oh my. What would Pynchon make of it.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:06 PM, kelber at mindspring.com
> <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
> > Sadly, even heroin addicts have the right to vote. Perhaps the next time
> we
> > can round them up and put them in internment camps, or even extermination
> > camps. Would that meet with your approval?
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> >
> >
> > David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't catch the reason these idiots voted for Trump. But their sad
> > anti-existential reasons for nihilistic Trump voting is why we lost.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Sunday, December 18, 2016, kelber at mindspring.com <
> kelber at mindspring.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael Moore's pre-election analysis is absolutely spot-on,
> >> post-election:
> >>
> >> http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
> >>
> >> Point 5 is particularly relevant for people to consider. My daughter
> >> reports that a sub-set if her friends - millennials, by and large,
> >> marginally employed, drug-addled, with no future - voted for Trump for
> this
> >> very reason.
> >>
> >> LK
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> >>
> >>
> >> ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Krugman, like so many who think like liberals with a conscience missed
> >> something huge in the recent election and he still doesn't seem to
> >> realize how wrong he was about the working people who supported Trump
> >> and how the trade agreements with China and Mexico impacted wages.
> >> Krugman, who defends trade, and the trade agreements (WTO, Most
> >> Favored Trading Nation Status for China, for example )that stripped US
> >> workers of wealth and job security argues that the US  jobs and the
> >> benefits were lost to technology. This is false and those simple folk
> >> Krugman claims to care about know it, even though he is a professor of
> >> Economics,  has the Nobel in Economics and most of them don't have a
> >> degree in anything. China's gain was the  US loss, in wages, job
> >> security. Sure, the wealth got skewed more and more to the top 10%
> >> under US Capitalism while in China the poor were lifted out of
> >> poverty, so one could argue, as liberals often do, and did when the
> >> unfair trade advantage was extended to China, that the US needed to
> >> redistribute the wealth, educate, re-educate, invest in
> >> infrastructure, productivity, workers...to offset the unfair trade
> >> that raised the Chinese workers out of poverty and stripped US workers
> >> of the wages, and that, in the long run, a China without poverty would
> >> benefit not only China but the US, US workers, and the world. Not true
> >> of course, but this was the thinking and Krugman was a big cheerleader
> >> for it. Now he is reluctant to admit that he was wrong. The Liberals
> >> got it wrong. At least from the American worker's point of view they
> >> did. The US gave up a lot of manufacturing. It would shift to service
> >> and knowledge economy. The shift, from Clinton through Bush and to
> >> Obama, 24 years, failed. The Chinese took full advantage, and they
> >> manipulated the currency to boot. Workers know this. Will Trump change
> >> things?
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I look at the Times everyday and agree about the treatment of
> Hillary's
> >> > silly emails, which clearly shouldn't have amounted to a row of beans
> in
> >> > this crazy world. Krugman calls it false equivalency and says the
> >> > mainstream
> >> > press in general was guilty. He recently wrote a scathing piece on the
> >> > subject.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Paul!
> >> >>
> >> >> I like the NYT grammarian.  Otherwise I hate the NYT for endlessly
> >> >> persecuting Hillary's emails and not showcasing Trump's endless lies,
> >> >> race-baiting, Putin-loving anti-NATO crap. I HATE the NYT.
> >> >>
> >> >> Just saying..
> >> >> David Morris
> >> >>
> >> >> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> No more than any other English teacher would--Hi David.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> p
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 5:35 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> OK.  Is it no different than our English?  You quibble.  Do you
> have
> >> >>>> a
> >> >>>> point?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> David Morris
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Shakespeare's language is Modern English, not Old or Middle
> English.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:53 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> >
> >> >>>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>> > http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-witch-2016
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > I'm only at the first third, but everything so far is layered in
> >> >>>>> > deep
> >> >>>>> > resonances.  The language is faithfully old English, but that's
> >> >>>>> > not
> >> >>>>> > the only
> >> >>>>> > reason it reminds me of Shakespeare.  The drama is smart and
> real.
> >> >>>>> > Cinematography is superb, as is the soundtrack.  In that regard
> >> >>>>> > this
> >> >>>>> > feels
> >> >>>>> > like Kubrick, but without the symmetry and clean edges.
> >> >>>>> >
> >> >>>>> > David Morris
> >> >>>>> -
> >> >>>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >
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