NP - The Witch (movie)

Mon Dec 19 05:05:01 CST 2016

And since he always knows about the preterite, there's that too.

On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> If the Return of the Repressed is a deep theme in Pynchon, then he knew
> this election
> long ago; if resentment politics is a theme of the past election, then
> Vineland was on it
> decades ago.
>
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 3:23 AM, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm calling this for P-List thread of the year. I've wanted to see The
>> VVitch (that's how it was spelled here) for a while but wanted to
>> avoid spoilers, and every day I find not spoilers but tangents going
>> to god knows where. If this thread ever makes its way back to the
>> movie I'll be disappointed.
>> Anyway: what do we make of this idea that voting for Trump appeals as
>> a subversive act these days? In the last year I've read more and more
>> younger people make articulate defences of a turn towards conservatism
>> as a new kind of rebellion, and I think people in their teens and
>> twenties *should* rebel and question and interrogate the power
>> structures they're expected to inherit etc and I hope I'm still doing
>> the same now, but my, oh my. What would Pynchon make of it.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:06 PM, kelber at mindspring.com
>> <kelber at mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > Sadly, even heroin addicts have the right to vote. Perhaps the next
>> time we
>> > can round them up and put them in internment camps, or even
>> extermination
>> > camps. Would that meet with your approval?
>> >
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>> >
>> >
>> > David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I didn't catch the reason these idiots voted for Trump. But their sad
>> > anti-existential reasons for nihilistic Trump voting is why we lost.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > On Sunday, December 18, 2016, kelber at mindspring.com <
>> kelber at mindspring.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Michael Moore's pre-election analysis is absolutely spot-on,
>> >> post-election:
>> >>
>> >> http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/
>> >>
>> >> Point 5 is particularly relevant for people to consider. My daughter
>> >> reports that a sub-set if her friends - millennials, by and large,
>> >> marginally employed, drug-addled, with no future - voted for Trump for
>> this
>> >> very reason.
>> >>
>> >> LK
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Krugman, like so many who think like liberals with a conscience missed
>> >> something huge in the recent election and he still doesn't seem to
>> >> realize how wrong he was about the working people who supported Trump
>> >> and how the trade agreements with China and Mexico impacted wages.
>> >> Krugman, who defends trade, and the trade agreements (WTO, Most
>> >> Favored Trading Nation Status for China, for example )that stripped US
>> >> workers of wealth and job security argues that the US  jobs and the
>> >> benefits were lost to technology. This is false and those simple folk
>> >> Krugman claims to care about know it, even though he is a professor of
>> >> Economics,  has the Nobel in Economics and most of them don't have a
>> >> degree in anything. China's gain was the  US loss, in wages, job
>> >> security. Sure, the wealth got skewed more and more to the top 10%
>> >> under US Capitalism while in China the poor were lifted out of
>> >> poverty, so one could argue, as liberals often do, and did when the
>> >> unfair trade advantage was extended to China, that the US needed to
>> >> redistribute the wealth, educate, re-educate, invest in
>> >> infrastructure, productivity, workers...to offset the unfair trade
>> >> that raised the Chinese workers out of poverty and stripped US workers
>> >> of the wages, and that, in the long run, a China without poverty would
>> >> benefit not only China but the US, US workers, and the world. Not true
>> >> of course, but this was the thinking and Krugman was a big cheerleader
>> >> for it. Now he is reluctant to admit that he was wrong. The Liberals
>> >> got it wrong. At least from the American worker's point of view they
>> >> did. The US gave up a lot of manufacturing. It would shift to service
>> >> and knowledge economy. The shift, from Clinton through Bush and to
>> >> Obama, 24 years, failed. The Chinese took full advantage, and they
>> >> manipulated the currency to boot. Workers know this. Will Trump change
>> >> things?
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I look at the Times everyday and agree about the treatment of
>> Hillary's
>> >> > silly emails, which clearly shouldn't have amounted to a row of
>> beans in
>> >> > this crazy world. Krugman calls it false equivalency and says the
>> >> > mainstream
>> >> > press in general was guilty. He recently wrote a scathing piece on
>> the
>> >> > subject.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 7:09 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Paul!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I like the NYT grammarian.  Otherwise I hate the NYT for endlessly
>> >> >> persecuting Hillary's emails and not showcasing Trump's endless
>> lies,
>> >> >> race-baiting, Putin-loving anti-NATO crap. I HATE the NYT.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Just saying..
>> >> >> David Morris
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, Paul Mackin <mackin.paul at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> No more than any other English teacher would--Hi David.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> p
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 5:35 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >> >>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> OK.  Is it no different than our English?  You quibble.  Do you
>> have
>> >> >>>> a
>> >> >>>> point?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> David Morris
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> On Saturday, December 17, 2016, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com
>> >
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Shakespeare's language is Modern English, not Old or Middle
>> English.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:53 PM, David Morris <
>> fqmorris at gmail.com>
>> >> >>>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>> > http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-witch-2016
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > I'm only at the first third, but everything so far is layered
>> in
>> >> >>>>> > deep
>> >> >>>>> > resonances.  The language is faithfully old English, but that's
>> >> >>>>> > not
>> >> >>>>> > the only
>> >> >>>>> > reason it reminds me of Shakespeare.  The drama is smart and
>> real.
>> >> >>>>> > Cinematography is superb, as is the soundtrack.  In that regard
>> >> >>>>> > this
>> >> >>>>> > feels
>> >> >>>>> > like Kubrick, but without the symmetry and clean edges.
>> >> >>>>> >
>> >> >>>>> > David Morris
>> >> >>>>> -
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>> >> >>>
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