NP: Q re Jung Order

Tue Feb 16 22:22:18 CST 2016

I would volunteer in a second! I love shrooms much better than acid. And
present day acid is basically X. Not anywhere near 60s acid. Shrooms are so
gentle. 60s acid was almost violent. I had good and bad trips. The really
bad one almost made me insane, at the age of 14. But I was rescued, in an
instant, from mind gone out into the nowhere, not knowing who I was, where
I was, only knowing I was in complete fear, and not in my body, to being
rescued by a prayer, and feeling my soul being instantly zapped back into
my body. I was only 14 then. An early age to go insane.

David Morris

On Tuesday, February 16, 2016, Allan Balliett <allan.balliett at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> A good demonstration of how far the public mind has changed about
> psychedelic research in the last few years is author Tim Ferris' Crowdrise
> fund raise for psilocybin research at Johns Hopkins. The best demonstration
> is that Tim was seeking $80,000. he's already raised $87,000 and his crowd
> sourced funding campaign is continuing, with the donations over $80k going
> to other John Hopkins psilocybin research projects that remain underfunded.
>
> Essentially, there are indications that a few good mushroom trips can lift
> individual out of deep depressions that Western medicine isn't able to
> remediate. Apparenly, many depressed older individuals have
> taken psilocybin recently and gained a renewed appreciation for Life and
> the World.
>
> I know what they are talking out. I sincerely doubt that I would have made
> it this far in life without the insights I gained about the Nature of
> Reality from sacred plants or their laboratory analogies. Deluded? Maybe,
> but it sure worked. (On the wonky side, one time when I was tripping, far
> from any telephone, probably lying with my eyes closed on a bed somewhere,
> Kurt Vonnegut called me. I recognized his voice instantly and will never
> forget what he said to me: "Allan, How's that book coming along?" All sorts
> of crystalline fractals raced through my nervous system from that one
> question for I don't know how long but I do know this: Vonnegut's question,
> real or imaginary, was enough to renew my motivation for writing enough to
> keep me getting up hours before work every day to work on my book for
> another six weeks.
>
> I could use that sort of a jumpstart again right now, that's fer sure.
>
> It's never dawned on me that they may not be getting enough volunteers for
> the study at Hopkins. God knows I've got the depression diagnosis on a
> sheet of paper somewhere around here already....
>
> Important to know that Crowdrise, the inspired crowd funding site, is the
> brainchild of actor Ed Norton (who, btw, claims to be 6 feet tall)  He
> celebrates the freedom people are given when they can support ideas that
> get zero support from existing institutions. In this way it's Norton who is
> jumpstarting our co-evolution, leaping over the 50 year wait that
> Buckminster Fuller said the establishment needs to act on a truly new idea.
>
> Read about Ferris' fundraiser here:
> https://www.crowdrise.com/timferriss/fundraiser/timferrissprofile
>
> Or read a little about it here:
>
> [NOTE: Any funds in excess of $80,000 will be applied to strengthening
> this or other psilocybin studies at Johns Hopkins. They have several
> prepared.]
>
> I am helping researchers in neuroscience and psychiatry at Johns Hopkins
> University School of Medicine to conduct a pilot study of psilocybin in the
> addressing of treatment-resistant depression.
> A recent but still unpublished study at Johns Hopkins demonstrated rapid,
> substantial, and sustained (lasting up to six months) antidepressant and
> anxiolytic (anti-anxiety) effects of a single dose of psilocybin in
> psychologically-distressed patients with life-threatening cancer
> diagnoses.  This is incredibly exciting. What if we could decrease or avoid
> altogether the known side-effects (and frequency of consumption) of current
> antidepressant drugs like SSRIs?
> This study could help establish an alternative.
> Current popular antidepressant medications have significant adverse side
> effects, with up to 50% of patients failing to respond fully and as many as
> 30% remaining completely resistant. Major depression is a common and often
> devastating psychiatric disorder. Individuals with depression are at a much
> greater risk of suicide than the general population.
> Psilocybin has been safely consumed by humans for millennia. Despite this,
> the study of entheogens like psilocybin was blocked for several decades due
> to political rather than scientific factors.  Now, we can finally explore
> the therapeutic and medical potential of these powerful compounds.
> Besides me (Tim Ferriss), public supporters of this research include:
> Eric Weinstein, managing director of Thiel Capital, Ph.D. in Mathematical
> Physics from Harvard, research fellow at the Mathematical Institute of
> Oxford University
> Naval Ravikant, CEO of AngelList, renowned tech investor (Uber, Yammer,
> Twitter, Postmates OpenDNS, etc.)
> Matt Mullenweg, CEO of Automattic, lead developer of WordPress (powers
> ~25% of the Internet)
> And many other innovators in business and tech
> The study on this page will determine the efficacy of psilocybin in
> treatment-resistant depression, and will also use cutting-edge brain
> imaging to clarify the mechanism of action of psilocybin's antidepressant
> effects.
> In the world of science, it is a rare opportunity to be able to conduct
> such potentially groundbreaking work for a mere $80,000.  It’s almost
> unheard of.  Psilocybin has the potential to revolutionize the treatment of
> major depression that cannot be properly addressed with current
> treatments.  This also applies to end-of-life care for terminally-ill
> cancer patients (more on this in the Michael Pollan New Yorker feature
> entitled “The Trip Treatment").
> I hope you’ll join me— and the above thought leaders—in this campaign. It
> could spark a huge shift in the national conversation about entheogens and
> their place in medicine.
> Contributions to this study are fully tax-deductible and each donor will
> receive a tax receipt. Johns Hopkins is a 501(3)c organization.
> I am personally committing at least $100,000 to entheogen/psychedelic
> research this year (2016). A portion of that will go to this study.
> If you prefer to donate appreciated securities, please email mdevito1 [AT]
> jhmi {DOT} edu
>
>
>
>  https://www.crowdrise.com/timferriss/fundraiser/timferrissprofile
>
> On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brook7 at sover.net');>> wrote:
>
>> I recently read One of Grof’s Books. Very worthwhile IMO. Interesting how
>> the whole issue of birth trauma has faded almost completely from modern
>> psychiatry/psychology.??? He too developed techniques to induce trance
>> states but avoid the restrictions on psychedelics.
>>
>> I think some techniques work better on people who can be hypnotized.  Not
>> everyone can be even if they might like to be.
>>
>>
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>> > On Feb 16, 2016, at 5:08 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fqmorris at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.stanislavgrof.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/A_Brief_History_of_Transpersonal_Psychology_Grof.pdf
>> >
>> > A Brief History of Transpersonal Psychology
>> > By Stanislav Grof, MD
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','brook7 at sover.net');>> wrote:
>> > As far as  New Age, channeling, the lovely and vivaciously weird
>> Shirley Mclaine etc., not much to say . I was headed in a different
>> direction at that time.  As far as psychedelics and meditation, It would be
>> a very intense form of meditation, but there is  a guy named Mike Siegel
>> who is trying to engineer a biofeedback system that might guide people
>> toward transcendent mind states( let’s not quibble about terms, if you have
>> taken psychedelics you know that none are adequate). His preparatory work
>> included monitoring brain states for psychedelic use and for advanced
>> practitioners of yoga/meditation. There did seem to be signifigant
>> similarities in his research but  these were serious yogis. .  I have only
>> started meditating daily for 2 months thoghh qi gong does similar things
>> and I have been practicing for 4 years this month). With meditation I have
>> only had 2 experiences even remotely resembling psychedelics.  I am an
>> artist and pretty good with visual imagination, and these 2 times were very
>> pleasant and mindbending experiences but far less psychologically or
>> visually intense than psychedelics.  They are also for me anyway harder to
>> achieve. Buddhism opposes inebriants  and that clouds the issue. but I know
>> at least one  decades long Tibetan Buddhist who uses psychedelics. So to
>> indulge what may come off as new age lingo-  the idea that plant compounds
>> have a role in the spritual ecology of humans and the larger planet does
>> not seem the least bit far fetched or problematic to me. But I do suspect
>> there are other routes into very intense altered states.
>> >
>> > One thing that is rarely discussed with psychedelics is the long term
>> effects on a person’s outlook  and thinking. IMO the thrill ride is great
>> but not the main show.
>> >
>> > Siegel:
>> https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-456-engineering-enlightenment-2/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Feb 16, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Allan Balliett <allan.balliett at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','allan.balliett at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The most misleading idea, though, would have to be the idea that
>> meditation can be a replacement for psychedelics, if you ask me.
>> >
>> >
>>
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