NP: Q re Jung Order

[Mark Kohut]

I recently saw a whole slew of old new age, human potential movement books
from the period in question at a book sale and what hit me all at once,
pure impressionism, was how strong was the need to break out of a
straightjacketed past, so to speak. An America, a world, so narrow, so
repressed, so straightjacketed as felt and lived by so many until the
sixties.

Perhaps the most major emotional change for those born later to find hard
to see and yet need to, dunno. After the flood, the past was underwater to
new generations, expressiveness of all kinds, including sexually, marching
mostly forward.
All the rear-guard conservative cultural commentators were right,
fortunately.

And somewhere in a sympathetic bit on Fritz Perls, a human potential
movement guy,  this friend wrote of his seemingly-unbreakable habit of
touching, touching women, groping if you want to know [yes, that word was
used]. Violating women to that degree and evidently paying no price. So
there's that too.

Just read the touch section in GR, which word I noticed as if for the first
time, Slothrop with Margherita and Bianca and THAT whole orgy scene
and--and Pynchon knew of the societal bursting open most in Lot 49 but here
in GR he knew of "the iron cage"--Weber-- and its emotional distortions.
Knew
it with genius.

On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> I recently read One of Grof’s Books. Very worthwhile IMO. Interesting how
> the whole issue of birth trauma has faded almost completely from modern
> psychiatry/psychology.??? He too developed techniques to induce trance
> states but avoid the restrictions on psychedelics.
>
> I think some techniques work better on people who can be hypnotized.  Not
> everyone can be even if they might like to be.
>
>
>
> > On Feb 16, 2016, at 5:08 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> http://www.stanislavgrof.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/A_Brief_History_of_Transpersonal_Psychology_Grof.pdf
> >
> > A Brief History of Transpersonal Psychology
> > By Stanislav Grof, MD
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > As far as  New Age, channeling, the lovely and vivaciously weird Shirley
> Mclaine etc., not much to say . I was headed in a different direction at
> that time.  As far as psychedelics and meditation, It would be a very
> intense form of meditation, but there is  a guy named Mike Siegel who is
> trying to engineer a biofeedback system that might guide people toward
> transcendent mind states( let’s not quibble about terms, if you have taken
> psychedelics you know that none are adequate). His preparatory work
> included monitoring brain states for psychedelic use and for advanced
> practitioners of yoga/meditation. There did seem to be signifigant
> similarities in his research but  these were serious yogis. .  I have only
> started meditating daily for 2 months thoghh qi gong does similar things
> and I have been practicing for 4 years this month). With meditation I have
> only had 2 experiences even remotely resembling psychedelics.  I am an
> artist and pretty good with visual imagination, and these 2 times were very
> pleasant and mindbending experiences but far less psychologically or
> visually intense than psychedelics.  They are also for me anyway harder to
> achieve. Buddhism opposes inebriants  and that clouds the issue. but I know
> at least one  decades long Tibetan Buddhist who uses psychedelics. So to
> indulge what may come off as new age lingo-  the idea that plant compounds
> have a role in the spritual ecology of humans and the larger planet does
> not seem the least bit far fetched or problematic to me. But I do suspect
> there are other routes into very intense altered states.
> >
> > One thing that is rarely discussed with psychedelics is the long term
> effects on a person’s outlook  and thinking. IMO the thrill ride is great
> but not the main show.
> >
> > Siegel:
> https://psychedelicsalon.com/podcast-456-engineering-enlightenment-2/
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Feb 16, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Allan Balliett <allan.balliett at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The most misleading idea, though, would have to be the idea that
> meditation can be a replacement for psychedelics, if you ask me.
> >
> >
>
> -
> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?listpynchon-l
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