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[ish mailian]

I don't do diatribe. You are projecting.

On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 3:50 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> Slander. Maybe too strong a word.  Maybe not. The too often repeated
> rumors about P's parents are that P's mother drank and that P  once
> quipped, whilst introducing a Jewish friend to his mother, that the
> lad, a Cornell chum and source of said gossip,  was Jewish, and that
> he told the boy, flippantly, that his mother was an anti-Semite. Was
> she? A strong allegation. Not much evidence. Got any more evidence
> than Jules's allegations? You do some research and tell me. If
> youcan't find any more I think slander is not too strong You decide.
> Seems to me that P's mother deserves the benefit of the doubt. That if
> the Pyndustry has nothing more than this repeated story from a dubious
> source they should stop  repeating the rumor or get more evidence to
> substantiate it.
>
> Everybody knows all about P's old man and his jobs. It's public. As
> Bob Dylan sez, What else can ya show me?
>
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 7:40 AM, matthew cissell <mccissell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ish,
>>
>> I have inquired lately along these lines and it would seem that you are
>> addressing my posts, so please allow me to respond.
>>
>>   "Same old slaner [sic]" Really? Slander? Can you explain that? "Old
>> gossip"?
>>
>>   IF you bother to do some research, you will find that Pynchon's father was
>> not just part of the LI GOP but had a fairly important position and even met
>> with Nixon in 1960 while he was still VP. (I'll attach a PDF, you can look
>> on page 8 and find Thomas R. Pynchon listed as "Republican Leader", but
>> perhaps your ignorance of Nassau Co. politics of the time might limit
>> yourunderstanding of the significance of the document. He was more than just
>> a party member.) Fact, not slander.
>>
>> Gee, I guess it's not gossip that his father was a conservative fellow. Do
>> you still think that I am somehow slandering either Mr. Pynchon or his
>> father's name?
>>
>> As for Pynchon's mother, I have never claimed she was anti-semitic (although
>> that was fairly commmon among US catholics, just go see about Father
>> Coughlin) nor that she drank, that came from Boris Kachka's piece which is
>> hardly decades old or gossip - unless, of course, you have a very
>> idiosyncratic definition of slander and gossip.
>>
>> I don't really understand the natrue of your diatribe nor your desire to
>> cast aspersions on the work of others - is that the only way you coud think
>> of opening your post? I suppose it is normal now in the Info Age to hide
>> behind keyboards and nics. Right, Ish?
>>
>> My posts are not based on gossip nor do they constitute slander.
>>
>> Oh, and your final spin: "how he may have come to forgive them their
>> politics, good church going boy that he was and all," has nothing to do with
>> my posts or claims. It struck me as inane and child-Ish.
>>
>> Keep trying.
>>
>> Agur,
>>
>> Matthew C. Cissell
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>> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 7:40 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> So recently a thread about P's parents repeated the same old slaner
>>> about his mother and father, the same old stupid gossip heard decades
>>> ago about how his mom, a catholic,  hated Jews and how she drank and
>>> how his old man was a Nassau county conservative and how he may have
>>> come to forgive them their politics, good church going boy that he was
>>> and all.
>>>
>>> But the fiction does deal in parents and in kids a lot. Not just the
>>> so-called family stage of his career but all of it. And one common
>>> enough theme is how the parents try to impose their political
>>> ideologies on their kids throug education and books and media. And the
>>> treatment of young minds as childish, and the treatment of Blacks and
>>> Others as Objects, as Problems, as pawns in the game.
>>>
>>> I mentioned this TSI essay, a damn fine essay on the subject so here
>>> is the citation.
>>>
>>> Boulter, Joe. "Children and Slaves in the West: Imagining Fraternity
>>> Among Outlaws in 'The Secret Integration'."Oklahoma City University
>>> Law Review 24.3 (Fall 1999): 518-533.
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>>> Pynchon-l / http://www.waste.org/mail/?list=pynchon-l
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