(np) "Der Spiegel" knows what's good for the UK ...

[Kai Frederik Lorentzen]

Correction: The dialogue itself is English, not the subtitles.

Since you mention Greece, there's new empirical research on how 
Europeans feel ...

http://www.pewglobal.org/2016/06/13/europeans-face-the-world-divided/

While most Europeans consider ISIS to be the most serious threat to 
their country, for example 79% of the British and 85% of the Germans, 
the people of Greece (95%) see it in "global economic instability". 
While only 24% of the British and 25% of the Germans see in US power and 
influence a major threat to their country, it's 42% among the Greeks 
(--- still hard feelings about Goldman Sachs?). And of all the European 
nations it's the Greeks to whom a decidedly national perspective is most 
important: 83% - compare 52% in the UK and 40% in Germany - think that 
"our country should deal with its own problems and let other countries 
deal with their own problems as best as they can"; only 12% of the 
Greeks - Germans: 53%, British 43% - think that it is a good idea "to 
help other countries deal with their problems" ...

All good EU compatriots, nicht wahr?



On 15.06.2016 10:37, Kai Frederik Lorentzen wrote:
>
>> anybody, even Germans, should tell the Brits what to do
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a38ahhWX-BU
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> 2.13 - 2.42 (English subtitles)
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>
> On 15.06.2016 00:05, ish mailian wrote:
>> Everybody and anybody, even Germans, should tell the Brits what to do.
>> The Brits, of course, being Brits, will do exactly whatever they want.
>> The Brits welcome a good argument, even from the outsider, not that
>> they will listen. No harm, no foul. England can handle it. No need for
>> the Germans to come to the rescue. The Greeks know what that does to
>> people.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 5:44 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
>>> Beside me I have the new print edition of "Der Spiegel" and I feel
>>> extraordinarily disgusted. Why? They labeled it as a "Special" and 
>>> they have
>>> translated all the articles relating to the Brexit referendum into 
>>> English
>>> ("23 extra pages in English") so now the British people can read in
>>> Germany's first news magazine what's best for them and, of course, for
>>> Europe ... I guess that's exactly what folks in the UK have waited 
>>> for, no?
>>> ... Listen to them: "It's smarter to stay. The choice is between a 
>>> moment of
>>> pride and a new future built together ..." I don't know what's 
>>> uglier, the
>>> whiner stuff - "If Britain leaves the EU on this side of the 
>>> Atlantic while
>>> Donald Trump becomes president on the other, then seemingly permanent
>>> alliances will wobble, and a weakened Europe would end up alone, 
>>> helpless
>>> amid myriad global crisis" - or the detailed ideas about an adequate 
>>> British
>>> behavior: "(S)hould the British vote against Brexit, perhaps by 55% 
>>> or 60%
>>> rather than 50,1%, then that would be a mandate. Then the British 
>>> should
>>> stop doing the things that have irritated Europe for years: special
>>> requests, self-pity and wretched haggling over every last detail."
>>>
>>> Nobody should tell the British what to do. Actually I envy them for the
>>> opportunity to make a fundamental democratic choice on EU membership. I
>>> don't know what I would vote for in such a situation, but I think all
>>> peoples in the European Union should have the same right.
>>>
>>> And media campaigns like this are simply what they are.
>>>
>>>
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