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[Monte Davis]

Yep. Bloodlands makes GR feel like a lighthearted romp.

Bringing it back via Crutchfield and Whappo... Snyder writes:

"The East was the Nazi Manifest Destiny. In Hitler's view, 'in the East a
similar process will repeat itself a second time as in the conquest of
America.'  As Hitler imagined the future, Germany would deal with the Slavs
much as the North Americans had dealt with the Indians. The Volga River in
Russia, he once proclaimed, will be Germany's Mississippi."

I wonder if he was a Karl May fan?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_May

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:10 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:

> beyond that I think a bigger problem if you want to call it that for
> Stalin was collaboration with the Nazis in the occupied territories--if you
> highlight the murder of jews then you highlight all the non-German
> accomplices, some of which changed sides wily nily, partly for survival,
> partly for more cynical reasons. Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus to a
> lesser extent to this day is only coming to terms; we know how the French
> feel as it has been a national hovering ghost since the end of the war.
>
> rich
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There certainly was some "post-war communist suppression of Jewish
>> deaths" in the USSR, although I'd call it "downplaying" rather than
>> suppression. And that certainly did have roots in (1) homegrown anti-Jewish
>> prejudice in Russia and much of Eastern Europe -- the "pale" and recurring
>> pogroms back to medieval times -- and (2) the USSR's ideological discomfort
>> with any ethnic/cultural identity that might compete with the nominal
>> internationalist "workers of the world," or the de facto dominance of the
>> Russian majority.
>>
>> But to give the devil his due, you know from Snyder that the Nazis'
>> Generalplan Ost coolly envisioned for *after* their victory the systematic
>> death of >30 million in the USSR, and the deportation farther east of as
>> many or more -- not to mention the ~25 million civilians and soldiers they
>> actually killed in the course of the war.
>>
>> I have to say that if, as a citizen of the USSR -- or just a Slav -- I'd
>> been part of that target population, the specifically Jewish aspect of the
>> Holocaust would not loom as large or seem as central to Nazi murderousness
>> as it does from the West.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>>
>>
>>
>
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