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[Mark Kohut]

He was...it sez right here in wikipedia....AS WERE SO MANY in Germany!...
He was the Dan Brown of the Germany of his time; he was bigger than
Rowling's Harry Potter. (I'm guessing)....

Pace Shelley. Poets aren't the unacknowledged legislators of their time;
popular novelists were.

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yep. Bloodlands makes GR feel like a lighthearted romp.
>
> Bringing it back via Crutchfield and Whappo... Snyder writes:
>
> "The East was the Nazi Manifest Destiny. In Hitler's view, 'in the East a
> similar process will repeat itself a second time as in the conquest of
> America.'  As Hitler imagined the future, Germany would deal with the Slavs
> much as the North Americans had dealt with the Indians. The Volga River in
> Russia, he once proclaimed, will be Germany's Mississippi."
>
> I wonder if he was a Karl May fan?
>
> <http://goog_402371410>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_May
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 10:10 AM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> beyond that I think a bigger problem if you want to call it that for
>> Stalin was collaboration with the Nazis in the occupied territories--if you
>> highlight the murder of jews then you highlight all the non-German
>> accomplices, some of which changed sides wily nily, partly for survival,
>> partly for more cynical reasons. Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, Belarus to a
>> lesser extent to this day is only coming to terms; we know how the French
>> feel as it has been a national hovering ghost since the end of the war.
>>
>> rich
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There certainly was some "post-war communist suppression of Jewish
>>> deaths" in the USSR, although I'd call it "downplaying" rather than
>>> suppression. And that certainly did have roots in (1) homegrown anti-Jewish
>>> prejudice in Russia and much of Eastern Europe -- the "pale" and recurring
>>> pogroms back to medieval times -- and (2) the USSR's ideological discomfort
>>> with any ethnic/cultural identity that might compete with the nominal
>>> internationalist "workers of the world," or the de facto dominance of the
>>> Russian majority.
>>>
>>> But to give the devil his due, you know from Snyder that the Nazis'
>>> Generalplan Ost coolly envisioned for *after* their victory the systematic
>>> death of >30 million in the USSR, and the deportation farther east of as
>>> many or more -- not to mention the ~25 million civilians and soldiers they
>>> actually killed in the course of the war.
>>>
>>> I have to say that if, as a citizen of the USSR -- or just a Slav -- I'd
>>> been part of that target population, the specifically Jewish aspect of the
>>> Holocaust would not loom as large or seem as central to Nazi murderousness
>>> as it does from the West.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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