A point-by-point breakdown of the first half of that book I was telling you about.

[Keith Davis]

I don't quite follow all of this, maybe because I don't know all of the
backstory. I'm deep into the book now, and it is fascinating, as gripping
as any thriller. Not being in the publishing industry, I wanted to ask if
the reason it's out of print is possibly because it needs a lot of work?
Lots of typos and maybe some editing, as well. Has the feel of being
self-published...

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Oglesby
>
> Jerky throws us a VERY anarchic curve ball. Looking to refresh myself and
> learn more
> about Carl Oglesby, I go to wikipedia. Then it gets interesting.
>
> Notice that Kirkpatrick Sale, TRP's old buddy is quoted about Carl's
> famous anti-
> war speech in late November 1965. Means he was there. We know TRP later
> has a letter about not attending another one but one wonders if he was at
> this one.
> Close to Sales then, publishing recently in mainstream stuff--SEPost and
> NYTimes Mag soon after because Sales. And writing and publishing Lot 49.
>
> But even more interesting to me. Look at the way Carl's blend of political
> ideas
> differs from standard SDS, new Left thinking. (He was to be driven out of a
> leadership position because he would not track standard Marxist--Leninist
> Left notions, this sez.) ...Now, a PS first: who else's social critiques
> as we pick
> them out in our reading aren't standard Marxist?-- as we've said here.
> (This is only associative non-logic I know but keep following the bouncing
> ball).
>
> Speculate with me more: as outlined here, Carl's eclectic mix of ideas--
> might remind of emblematic scenes from Lot 49??...the Young Americans for
> Freedom,
> Oedipa's present; libertarianism = cousin of anarchism in that work; the
> scene
> about having one's ideas corporatized in Lot 49; Carl's strong
> anti-bureaucracy strain,--
> (Heavy in GR, of course) The John Birch Society nod in Lot 49-as nod to
> freedom.
> And more.
>  "in a strong sense, the Old Right
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_(United_States)> and the New Left
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Left> are morally and politically
> coordinate":[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Oglesby#cite_note-5>
> I suggest there is OLD RIGHT in Lot 49 under political lensing.
>
> And remember decades later in the Slow Learner introduction how TRP said
> the New Left
> failed to connect with real worker's concerns so failed.
>
> Bet they all thought it out together, separately, TRP and Kirkpatrick
> closest thinking partners
> then....
>
> Why is this book OP?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 6:15 PM, Mark Thibodeau <jerkyleboeuf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> <https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-e_-FeN3GSFM/TYp3fVfrrZI/AAAAAAAAAHk/iKNxRJs4rW0/s1600/YankeeCowboyWar.jpg>
>>
>>
>> *KONSPIRACY KLASSICS CORNER!*
>>
>> *THE YANKEE AND COWBOY WAR*
>>
>> *The Astonishing Link between the JFK Assassination and the deposing of
>> Nixon *
>>
>> *Conspiracies from Dallas to Watergate and Beyond*
>>
>> *by Carl Oglesby*
>>
>>
>> A few years back, a friend loaned me his copy of *Carl Oglesby*'s *The
>> Yankee and Cowboy War*, and after reading it I was stunned that I had
>> previously neither read it nor even heard about it. I found it both moving
>> and profoundly impressive. In his masterful dissection of the mid-70's
>> American political milieu, Oglesby gives us nothing less than an absolutely
>> convincing operating model of the forces clashing behind the scenes in
>> post-World War II America, as well as a detailed diagnosis of exactly where
>> and why things went terribly wrong. He presents valuable ideas that have
>> found their way into the works of later authors, most notably *Sidney
>> Blumenthal*, whose 1986 best-seller *The Rise of the
>> Counter-Establishment* reads almost like a sequel.
>>
>>
>> I believe The Yankee Cowboy War is essential reading for anyone searching
>> for honest answers about the origins of our current condition.
>> Unfortunately, the book is long out of print. I also understand that most
>> of you reading this are busy people who don't have time to read every
>> worthy book that there is to read. Therefore, I have decided to use this
>> space to publish my "reading notes", taken during my second reading, so
>> that interested parties can get the gist of the book's main theses, the
>> numerous topics it covers, as well as the individuals and events discussed
>> in it.
>>
>>
>> I will be posting these reading notes periodically over the next few
>> days. Obviously, this is a poor substitute for reading the book, itself,
>> but it's a decent primer, and for the researcher in a hurry, it should do
>> in a pinch. Watch for further installments, coming soon!
>>
>>
>> *PART ONE: THE CLANDESTINE ELITES*
>>
>>
>> · *Watergate* and the *JFK* assassination were not isolated incidents,
>> but linked parts of a secret war between two American Elites: the
>> *Yankees* (Eastern Establishment) and the *Cowboys* (Sunbelt, New
>> Money, Counter-Establishment).
>>
>>
>> · A hidden drama of coup and counter-coup, intrinsically linked
>> conspiracies, inner oligarchic power sphere, invisible gov’t, above the
>> law, beyond moral rule… a clandestine American state, embryonic police
>> state.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>>
>> · *Operation Garden Plot*, *COINTELPRO*, *Operation Chaos*.
>>
>>
>> · *CIA* contracting *ITT* to oust *Allende* in Chile is an example of
>> ruthlessness, just like crimes and cover-up at Dealy Plaza and the
>> Watergate.
>>
>>
>> · What are the origins of these internal government divisions?
>>
>>
>> 1. CIA intel division vs. CIA operational division.
>>
>> 2. Pentagon vs. FBI
>>
>> 3. CIA vs. Pentagon
>>
>> 4. CIA vs. FBI
>>
>> 5. POTUS and all of the above
>>
>>
>> · Destabilization of the post-Reconstruction unity, which, in turn, was
>> made stronger by *FDR* in the WWII period (post-war consensus). 60’s,
>> 70’s tumult.
>>
>>
>> · The intensification of clandestine, illicit measures against racial and
>> anti-war dissent coincided with the use of these methods within the state
>> as post-war consensus failed.
>>
>>
>> · Dallas/Watergate: breakdown of the incumbent national coalition…
>> Greater Northeast powers with the greater Southwest powers, the post-Civil
>> War, post-Reconstruction coalition, the New Deal, the Yankees and Cowboys.
>>
>>
>> · Cold War tensions between two separate and distinct and contradictory
>> domains of World Historical Truth: Northeast “détente” and Southwest
>> “militarism”.
>>
>>
>> · In Europe, we could evidently live with communism, whereas in the Third
>> World, we evidently could not. “Spheres of “détente and violence”… an
>> untenable paradox.
>>
>>
>> · When it became clear that the USA couldn’t win militarily in the Third
>> World without risking war in the North Atlantic, consensus dissolved.
>>
>>
>> · Dallas, Nov 22, was an elite power collision, both sensed and real.
>>
>>
>> · Dichotomous Disunity: The Southwest was pro-escalation, on balance,
>> Frontierist, taking the China-lobby position.
>>
>>
>> · Dichotomous Disunity: The Northeast was pro-pullback, on balance,
>> Atlanticist, CFR, NATO-conscious position.
>>
>>
>> · YANKEES:
>>
>> 1. David Rockefeller
>>
>> 2. Ivy League
>>
>> 3. Exclusive clubs of Manhattan, Boston and Georgetown
>>
>> 4. CFR, Round Table
>>
>> 5. Eleanor Roosevelt
>>
>> 6. The Dulles Brothers
>>
>> 7. Massive Retaliation Doctrine
>>
>> 8. The Kennedys
>>
>>
>> · COWBOYS:
>>
>> 1. Howard Hughes
>>
>> 2. NFL
>>
>> 3. Exclusive clubs of New Orleans, Dallas and Orange County (both sides)
>>
>> 4. LBJ
>>
>> 5. Conally and Hunt
>>
>> 6. Bay of Pigs team
>>
>> 7. Nixon
>>
>>
>> · The persistence of Civil War splits in the current situation.
>>
>>
>> · *Carroll Quigley* had already talked of these themes before Oglesby in
>> his *Tragedy and Hope*.
>>
>>
>> · Disintegration of Wall Street influence as the Southwest and Far West
>> influence increase, commensurate with a dissolving of the Middle Class and
>> a rise in bourgeoisie.
>>
>>
>> · Northeast Establishment: Semi-aristocratic.
>>
>>
>> · Southwest Counter-Establishment: Petit Bourgeois.
>>
>>
>> · Southwestern money was dependent on government investment: oil,
>> military, aviation, space, natural resources. This is a paradox.
>>
>>
>> · Oglesby argues that the Atlanticist / Frontierist split is primal, and
>> that it runs under everything… 1960.
>>
>>
>> · YANKEE:
>>
>> 1. Global Scope
>>
>> 2. At home in the Great World
>>
>> 3. Regards it as a whole, in context
>>
>> 4. Good World Order = Relations with allies
>>
>> 5. Relations with Western Democracies
>>
>> 6. USA seen as a continuation of Europe’s culture
>>
>> 7. Europe as key world theater
>>
>> 8. Fate of USA linked with Europe
>>
>> 9. White cultural destiny transcending boundaries of nation
>>
>> 10. The West = One World
>>
>> 11. Monopolists who broke faith with the Vietnam project because of the
>> high probability of failure
>>
>> 12. Monopolist East Coast Establishment
>>
>>
>> · COWBOY:
>>
>> 1. Ties to Europe NOT obvious
>>
>> 2. Old World vs. New World
>>
>> 3. Rejects Atlanticism in favor of Frontierism
>>
>> 4. Expanding wilderness frontier and “Pacific strategy”
>>
>> 5. Cowboy entrepreneurs fought to keep faith alive because of the
>> necessity of success
>>
>> 6. Tycoon (Western)
>>
>> 7. They supported *Johnson* and *Nixon* all the way towards a final
>> military solution
>>
>> 8. “Only the strong survive”
>>
>>
>> · What were the roots of the union in the first place? The frontier which
>> allowed for the continued emergence of  entrepreneurs long after the
>> establishment of the first monopolies.
>>
>>
>> · Marx never studied states that had so much frontier.
>>
>>
>> · The frontier was a reprieve for democracy… and capitalism! All it took
>> was genocide.
>>
>>
>> · Energies of expansion took two centuries… finally taking Alaska and
>> Hawaii. We have no way of knowing how important this expansionism was in
>> keeping the natural American Cowboy/Yankee divide under control.
>>
>>
>> · The success of various Asian revolutionary movements proved a
>> perplexing dilemma to the USA. With Asians successfully defending
>> themselves as self-modernizing, post-colonial entities against American
>> influence, America had run out of frontier.
>>
>>
>> · To comprehend the assassination of JFK (as with Lincoln) is to
>> understand a basic event in modern government. It’s a necessity to
>> understand… an “absolute pre-condition” to self-government, the first step
>> towards the restoration of a legitimate state.
>>
>>
>> · Today’s frontier is the fact that there is no more frontier.
>>
>>
>> *PART TWO COMING SOON!*
>>
>>
>


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