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[Jochen Stremmel]

Don't forget that Canadian: "You people just stole that name."

2016-03-09 11:11 GMT+01:00 ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com>:

> The truth of 11 September doesn't matter in Maxine's troubled
> relationship with her sister. The relationship was strained before the
> event. Though Maxine is a professional and would seem to have some
> greater claim to the truth, Brook is married to man who is privy to
> lots of information Maxine isn't. But no matter.
>
> To dismiss March, her truth, as Thomas does, seems easy enough. But
> what if we will never know the truth? What if can't be known? Like the
> existence of god(s), many will claim to know , though their claims are
> competing ones, while some will reject the god(s) as mere
> superstitious delusion.  The narratives compete as we wait for Godot.
>
> Foucault's de-centering of the author is useful here. So much of the
> discussion is about finding out what Pynchon has to say on the truth
> of 11 September, but no matter. God is dead. The author is dead.
>
> And the event that the dialogue is, ostensibly about, is, as Hamlet
> might say to Polonius, is a whale and what matters are the words.
>
> That the sisters disagree about the truth of 11 September is not
> caused by the event or the truth of it. The book shows us all the
> matter that was there before and after the event and all the reactions
> to it and these are matters of family, friends, neighbors, strangers.
> This is what matters not the truth of who is responsible, but the
> responsible and not so very responsible ways we responded to the
> event.
>
> On that day, I was never so proud to be a New Yorker, but soo I would
> be so ashamed to be an American.
>
> On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 12:15 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > It doesn’t matter could be one way to look at everything Pynchon or
> anyone else writes.  On the other hand, what  matters is what what doesn’t
> matter tells us about us. Which is another way. And there are yet other
> ways, competing with the competing narratives, non-narratives of
> non-presidents that don’t get shot, but do matter to us and tell us about
> us and our conspiracies that don’t matter but would like to. Matter.
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 8, 2016, at 4:54 PM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> One way to look at P's use of events that become conspiracy is that it
> >> doesn't much matter what the truth is, even if conclusive and
> >> definitive proof exists, a smoking gun or whatever, it doesn't much
> >> matter. Who killed JFK? It doesn't matter. Who is responsible for 11
> >> September? It doesn't matter. What matters is the narratives, the
> >> conspiracies, the competing narratives and how we see other narratives
> >> and what that tells us about us. For example, Maxine  is
> satirizedbecause she thinks that Ernie still believes that the Rosenbergs
> were
> >> innocent. They weren't. She may have been, but he wasn't. But that
> >> doesn't much matter. They are both dead, But the conspiracy to execute
> >> them, that matters. That makes Ernie's conspiracy, his paranoia,
> >> closer to Pynchon's, but ti doesn't make it Pynchon's conspiracy.
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