BE -- "death wish for the planet" why the internet?

[Monte Davis]

Jane Bennet to Elizabeth, Pride and Prejuduice v2ch1: "I have no idea of
there being so much design in the world as some persons imagine."

On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:

> Those conspiracies were discovered but they didn’t fail at all. No
> criminal action was punished. The fact that criminl conspiracies are so
> frequently discovered just shows how common they are. The idea that all
> large-scale criminal conspiracies get discovered is a guess against the
> odds. Meyer Lansky was a major figure in the Italian Mob and the virtually
> unmentioned Jewish Mob, never did time.
> > On Mar 11, 2016, at 9:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > "In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
> effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
> kill anyone and their families who squeal."
> >
> > Like I said, "vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart.
> Either kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until they
> die on their own."
> >
> > BTW, the mafia isn't exactly a secret.  And their internal discipline
> isn't exactly steel-clad.
> >
> > "Gary Webb exposing CIA agents"
> > "Ed Snowden is another example"
> >
> > Good examples of why vast conspiracies will always fail.
> >
> > David Morris
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> > I do not consider this a very good argument.  The whole world of
> organized criminal activity would be in trouble if it were.  I think there
> are several examples of large scale conspiracies that went virtually
> un-noticed by the rest of the world, the mass killing in the Nazi holocaust
> is a powerful example. It shows 3 things about conspiracies: 1) what the
> newspapers don’t report is not considered real and this means no outrage,
> no response 2) even  victims or an opposing army might have reasons or
> might be coerced to keep silence. 3) ordinary people who witness such
> things will often be ignored as unreliable, or lack the courage to risk
> speaking out.
> >   The people directly involved in this massive conspiracy were no
> different than American Skull and Bones or CIA or racist pricks or the
> servicemen who committed atrocities in Vietnam.  Hannah Arendt’s studies
> provide persuasive evidence that huge numbers may be recruited into
> murderous behavior  when it becomes the fundamental policy of the state and
> that behavior is perceived as a combination of self interest and duty.
> >   In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
> effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
> kill anyone and their families who squeal.
> >    A more recent example is the case of Gary Webb exposing CIA agents in
> an ongoing criminal conspiracy to fund Contras by drug traffic in black
> neighborhoods .  He worked for a reputable newspaper, his facts were well
> supported, he was right as the CIA quietly admitted later, but the NY Times
> and other media kings didn’t like the story precisely because it smacked of
> loony conspiracy theories. They effectively crushed him.  Neither the CIA
> or its agents were ever punished.
> >   Ed Snowden is another example. If not for him we would not have any
> kind of accurate picture of the extent of NSA surveillance. People who are
> willing to risk exile and death are actually pretty rare which is obvious
> since this agency has thousands of employees who knew what Snowden knew.
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:28 AM, Thomas Eckhardt <
> thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> > >
> > > Am 08.03.2016 um 23:39 schrieb David Morris:
> > >> Thomas Eckhardt said (re. logistics of controlled 9-11
> > >> demolition: "Apart from the logistical difficulties such a task would
> > >> pose, there would have to be many people involved."
> > >>
> > >> For me this is another reason vast conspiracy theories are hard to
> > >> believe: vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart. Either
> > >> kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until they die
> on
> > >> their own.
> > >
> > > Ernie addresses this point:
> > >
> > > "The chief argument against conspiracy theories is always that it
> would take too many people in on it, and somebody's sure to squeal. But
> look at the U.S. security apparatus, these guys are WASPs, Mormons, Skull
> and bones, secretive by nature. Trained, sometimes since birth, never to
> run  off at the mouth. If discipline exists anywhere, it's among them. So
> of course it's possible." BE, 325.
> > >
> > > I don't buy this. There are not that many people ruthless enough to
> commit a crime like that IMO, Skull and Bones or not. For controlled
> demolition, furthermore, you would need "mechanics" -- demolition experts
> and the persons actually placing explosives.
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