BE -- "death wish for the planet" why the internet?

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Prejuduice? Reminded me of that great pun by Ishmael Reed.

http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2011/09/13/ishmael-reed-on-juice/



On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Monte Davis <montedavis49 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Jane Bennet to Elizabeth, Pride and Prejuduice v2ch1: "I have no idea of
> there being so much design in the world as some persons imagine."
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>>
>> Those conspiracies were discovered but they didn’t fail at all. No
>> criminal action was punished. The fact that criminl conspiracies are so
>> frequently discovered just shows how common they are. The idea that all
>> large-scale criminal conspiracies get discovered is a guess against the
>> odds. Meyer Lansky was a major figure in the Italian Mob and the virtually
>> unmentioned Jewish Mob, never did time.
>> > On Mar 11, 2016, at 9:39 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > "In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
>> > effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
>> > kill anyone and their families who squeal."
>> >
>> > Like I said, "vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart.
>> > Either kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until they die
>> > on their own."
>> >
>> > BTW, the mafia isn't exactly a secret.  And their internal discipline
>> > isn't exactly steel-clad.
>> >
>> > "Gary Webb exposing CIA agents"
>> > "Ed Snowden is another example"
>> >
>> > Good examples of why vast conspiracies will always fail.
>> >
>> > David Morris
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> > I do not consider this a very good argument.  The whole world of
>> > organized criminal activity would be in trouble if it were.  I think there
>> > are several examples of large scale conspiracies that went virtually
>> > un-noticed by the rest of the world, the mass killing in the Nazi holocaust
>> > is a powerful example. It shows 3 things about conspiracies: 1) what the
>> > newspapers don’t report is not considered real and this means no outrage, no
>> > response 2) even  victims or an opposing army might have reasons or might be
>> > coerced to keep silence. 3) ordinary people who witness such things will
>> > often be ignored as unreliable, or lack the courage to risk speaking out.
>> >   The people directly involved in this massive conspiracy were no
>> > different than American Skull and Bones or CIA or racist pricks or the
>> > servicemen who committed atrocities in Vietnam.  Hannah Arendt’s studies
>> > provide persuasive evidence that huge numbers may be recruited into
>> > murderous behavior  when it becomes the fundamental policy of the state and
>> > that behavior is perceived as a combination of self interest and duty.
>> >   In organized crime a very simple priciple is at work and is very
>> > effective: bind members to an oath of secrecy, make their membership pay,
>> > kill anyone and their families who squeal.
>> >    A more recent example is the case of Gary Webb exposing CIA agents in
>> > an ongoing criminal conspiracy to fund Contras by drug traffic in black
>> > neighborhoods .  He worked for a reputable newspaper, his facts were well
>> > supported, he was right as the CIA quietly admitted later, but the NY Times
>> > and other media kings didn’t like the story precisely because it smacked of
>> > loony conspiracy theories. They effectively crushed him.  Neither the CIA or
>> > its agents were ever punished.
>> >   Ed Snowden is another example. If not for him we would not have any
>> > kind of accurate picture of the extent of NSA surveillance. People who are
>> > willing to risk exile and death are actually pretty rare which is obvious
>> > since this agency has thousands of employees who knew what Snowden knew.
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:28 AM, Thomas Eckhardt
>> > > <thomas.eckhardt at uni-bonn.de> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Am 08.03.2016 um 23:39 schrieb David Morris:
>> > >> Thomas Eckhardt said (re. logistics of controlled 9-11
>> > >> demolition: "Apart from the logistical difficulties such a task would
>> > >> pose, there would have to be many people involved."
>> > >>
>> > >> For me this is another reason vast conspiracy theories are hard to
>> > >> believe: vast numbers of conspirators are bound to fall apart. Either
>> > >> kill all who know the conspiracy, or pay them lavishly until they die
>> > >> on
>> > >> their own.
>> > >
>> > > Ernie addresses this point:
>> > >
>> > > "The chief argument against conspiracy theories is always that it
>> > > would take too many people in on it, and somebody's sure to squeal. But look
>> > > at the U.S. security apparatus, these guys are WASPs, Mormons, Skull and
>> > > bones, secretive by nature. Trained, sometimes since birth, never to run
>> > > off at the mouth. If discipline exists anywhere, it's among them. So of
>> > > course it's possible." BE, 325.
>> > >
>> > > I don't buy this. There are not that many people ruthless enough to
>> > > commit a crime like that IMO, Skull and Bones or not. For controlled
>> > > demolition, furthermore, you would need "mechanics" -- demolition experts
>> > > and the persons actually placing explosives.
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