Whose dream is it?

[David Morris]

John,
Can you cut/paste the text here. My books are in storage. Divorce fallout.
David Morris

On Tuesday, March 15, 2016, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's worth rereading the New York attack and evacuation in Against the
> Day (pp169-173 in the Vintage paperback) alongside the GR opening. P
> *must* have had the earlier book in mind there. It's a more masterful
> sequence than I remember from my first reading. Also inhabits an
> uncertain space reality-wise... could be a dream, a mass fantasy, a
> meta-sequence or something else entirely.
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > I think it is a dream/nightmare of one of the White Visitations patients,
> > someone with Real trauma. In other words, it is our nightmare. Pirate's
> > later dream is less universal, and not scary at all.
> >
> > David Morris
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> > On Monday, March 14, 2016, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Crazy thoughts as we start
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> >> Is Pirate in Slothrop's dream?  Whose dream/nightmare is it?  What is
> the
> >> connection of this dream to time, to Dante’s vision, to the holocaust,
> to
> >> Von Braun quote, to enzian’s rocket lost in time? To Joyc’s circular
> time?
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> >> Slothrop - Thomas  Ruggles Pynchon -   Porthos +L  Pynchon likes boys
> >> adventure fiction Porthos sounds like pork and port he liked food,
> wine, he
> >> was portly but bold .The added L moves Porthos from the heroic to the
> lazy,
> >> slothful. Protagonist from subject to object.
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> >> Porthos takes my thoughts to -The man in the Iron Mask- ( no one ever
> saw
> >> his face because it was hidden by a mask of black velvet cloth.)(
> Wikipedia)
> >> Iron appears often in the first pages of Beyond the Zero along with
> velvet:
> >> “Above him lift girders old as an iron queen”  the lost souls in the
> iron
> >> train, “velvet black surfaces contain the movement:” “It is some vast,
> very
> >> old and dark hotel, an iron extension of the track ”“the evacuees are
> taken
> >> in lots, by elevator—a moving wood scaffold open on all sides, hoisted
> by
> >> old tarry ropes and cast-iron pulleys whose spokes are shaped like Ss.
> ”“His
> >> name is Capt. Geoffrey (“Pirate”) Prentice... His skull feels made of
> >> metal.”
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> >> Later in the novels others are contained in steel rockets/bombs as a
> >> result of insatiable lust both for revenge and submission.
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