Whose dream is it?

[John Bailey]

I don't have an electronic version but the section is on Google Books:
click on the page 169 result.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=6ICpUFUlLvkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=against+the+day&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=enclosure&f=false

On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:32 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
> John,
> Can you cut/paste the text here. My books are in storage. Divorce fallout.
> David Morris
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 15, 2016, John Bailey <sundayjb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's worth rereading the New York attack and evacuation in Against the
>> Day (pp169-173 in the Vintage paperback) alongside the GR opening. P
>> *must* have had the earlier book in mind there. It's a more masterful
>> sequence than I remember from my first reading. Also inhabits an
>> uncertain space reality-wise... could be a dream, a mass fantasy, a
>> meta-sequence or something else entirely.
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>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 4:02 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think it is a dream/nightmare of one of the White Visitations
>> > patients,
>> > someone with Real trauma. In other words, it is our nightmare. Pirate's
>> > later dream is less universal, and not scary at all.
>> >
>> > David Morris
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>> > On Monday, March 14, 2016, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Crazy thoughts as we start
>> >>
>> >> Is Pirate in Slothrop's dream?  Whose dream/nightmare is it?  What is
>> >> the
>> >> connection of this dream to time, to Dante’s vision, to the holocaust,
>> >> to
>> >> Von Braun quote, to enzian’s rocket lost in time? To Joyc’s circular
>> >> time?
>> >>
>> >> Slothrop - Thomas  Ruggles Pynchon -   Porthos +L  Pynchon likes boys
>> >> adventure fiction Porthos sounds like pork and port he liked food,
>> >> wine, he
>> >> was portly but bold .The added L moves Porthos from the heroic to the
>> >> lazy,
>> >> slothful. Protagonist from subject to object.
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>> >> Porthos takes my thoughts to -The man in the Iron Mask- ( no one ever
>> >> saw
>> >> his face because it was hidden by a mask of black velvet cloth.)(
>> >> Wikipedia)
>> >> Iron appears often in the first pages of Beyond the Zero along with
>> >> velvet:
>> >> “Above him lift girders old as an iron queen”  the lost souls in the
>> >> iron
>> >> train, “velvet black surfaces contain the movement:” “It is some vast,
>> >> very
>> >> old and dark hotel, an iron extension of the track ”“the evacuees are
>> >> taken
>> >> in lots, by elevator—a moving wood scaffold open on all sides, hoisted
>> >> by
>> >> old tarry ropes and cast-iron pulleys whose spokes are shaped like Ss.
>> >> ”“His
>> >> name is Capt. Geoffrey (“Pirate”) Prentice... His skull feels made of
>> >> metal.”
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>> >> Later in the novels others are contained in steel rockets/bombs as a
>> >> result of insatiable lust both for revenge and submission.
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