Whose dream is it?

[Joseph Tracy]

Something very like that was my first take, that it is kind of a shared dream bubbling up from the collective unconscious of a culture traumatized by the Calvinist/Pauline doctrine of predestination.  But then I wondered if Slothrop is the key representative of that state of preterition in the novel. I was really just letting my brain riff a bit and thought I would post it.

> On Mar 15, 2016, at 1:02 AM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
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> I think it is a dream/nightmare of one of the White Visitations patients, someone with Real trauma. In other words, it is our nightmare. Pirate's later dream is less universal, and not scary at all.
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> David Morris 
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> On Monday, March 14, 2016, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
> Crazy thoughts as we start
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> Is Pirate in Slothrop's dream?  Whose dream/nightmare is it?  What is the connection of this dream to time, to Dante’s vision, to the holocaust, to Von Braun quote, to enzian’s rocket lost in time? To Joyc’s circular time?
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> Slothrop - Thomas 	Ruggles Pynchon -   Porthos +L  Pynchon likes boys adventure fiction Porthos sounds like pork and port he liked food, wine, he was portly but bold .The added L moves Porthos from the heroic to the lazy, slothful. Protagonist from subject to object. 
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> Porthos takes my thoughts to -The man in the Iron Mask- ( no one ever saw his face because it was hidden by a mask of black velvet cloth.)( Wikipedia) Iron appears often in the first pages of Beyond the Zero along with velvet: “Above him lift girders old as an iron queen”  the lost souls in the iron train, “velvet black surfaces contain the movement:” “It is some vast, very old and dark hotel, an iron extension of the track ”“the evacuees are taken in lots, by elevator—a moving wood scaffold open on all sides, hoisted by old tarry ropes and cast-iron pulleys whose spokes are shaped like Ss. ”“His name is Capt. Geoffrey (“Pirate”) Prentice... His skull feels made of metal.”
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> Later in the novels others are contained in steel rockets/bombs as a result of insatiable lust both for revenge and submission. 
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