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[Keith Davis]

Agreed, Ish.

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> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:39 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Doesn't this opening remind anyone of the opening to Chapter Two of
> _Against The Day_?
> 
> The imagery in _AGTD_ may be a poaching parody, of Upton Sinclair and
> others of the period, as McHale argues, and following that analysis we
> should look for film parody and poach here, but here in this opening
> of GR,  I am inclined to read this opening a not a parody or a poach,
> but as the imagination of a writer who has been influenced, as
> critical studies argue, by everyone and everything, but who has hit
> his stride and is writing in a style that is rightfully and especially
> his own. The anxiety of influence, so glaring in all previous works is
> ground to dust. Though Mumford and Dickens and Orwell echo here, in
> the imagery, Pynchon has a style all his own and what a style it is.
> 
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Ray Easton
> <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I loathe statements about literature of the form "it feels to me like..."  (
>> pace, Mark -- not aiming at you, but only at myself! ), but I do have to say
>> that some of what follows after the dream "feels to me like" the beginning
>> of Ulysses.  Felt so my first reading and has every time since.
>> 
>> I cannot figure out why, though -- and the why is what matters.
>> 
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>>> On March 16, 2016 6:37:02 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Distinct feeling of Mulligan at Ulysses opening now that you mention it.
>>> Wholly changed but in comic tone and meaning
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> And the first rebirth is a Pirate, followed by Bloat.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> “There are proceedings of such a delicate nature that it is well to
>>>> overwhelm them with coarseness and make them unrecognisable; there are
>>>> actions of love and of extravagant magnanimity after which nothing can be
>>>> wiser than to take a stick and thrash the witness soundly…“ Nietzsche, BG&E,
>>>> 29.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And what is Pirate‘s relation to Buck Mulligan and Stephen Dedalus,
>>>> anyway?
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