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[Keith Davis]

Completely agree here. I've always thought P's writing is cinematic. There is so much detailed description, and the lighting is always so important.

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> On Mar 16, 2016, at 11:53 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That opening scene in GR, a dream from below, a subconscious point of
> view, as it begins with a scream above, in the sky, and then the focus
> remains on what is above from the perspective of one who is below, the
> emotions, fear and anxiety caused by what is above and what will fall
> on those below, then the movement, and it is a narrowing and a drive
> deeper below. I think the elevators take the evacuees down, not up,
> down and away from any possibility of light, of salvation, of being
> heard, even if they scream.
> 
> Now P made a book into a film recently, or somebody did it with his
> OK, and it is, far as I know his first major film, but he worked on
> film in his youth as I recall reading that at Cornell he was part of
> some little film project or other. In any event, the young P is said
> to have had an interest in making opera or space opera....but what
> strikes me here again as I re-read this opening passage is how keen P
> seems to be to make a movie. The camera position here that is the
> dream of Pirate is from below to above.
> 
> The one in Chapter 2 of AGTD is from Above to what is Below and there,
> it is not humans but cattle that are rushed through the Cartesian grid
> to the killing floor.
> 
> There are parallels.
> 
> The WWII camera, some fixed to airplanes, others handheld down into
> tunnels, some in balloons.
> 
> The little commentary in both passages suggest the use of film,
> photography. The colors, the hues, the light or the dark room. all
> kinda hint at P the fil maker.
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Joseph Tracy <brook7 at sover.net> wrote:
>> Nicely argued.
>>> On Mar 16, 2016, at 9:39 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Doesn't this opening remind anyone of the opening to Chapter Two of
>>> _Against The Day_?
>>> 
>>> The imagery in _AGTD_ may be a poaching parody, of Upton Sinclair and
>>> others of the period, as McHale argues, and following that analysis we
>>> should look for film parody and poach here, but here in this opening
>>> of GR,  I am inclined to read this opening a not a parody or a poach,
>>> but as the imagination of a writer who has been influenced, as
>>> critical studies argue, by everyone and everything, but who has hit
>>> his stride and is writing in a style that is rightfully and especially
>>> his own. The anxiety of influence, so glaring in all previous works is
>>> ground to dust. Though Mumford and Dickens and Orwell echo here, in
>>> the imagery, Pynchon has a style all his own and what a style it is.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Ray Easton
>>> <raymond.lee.easton at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I loathe statements about literature of the form "it feels to me like..."  (
>>>> pace, Mark -- not aiming at you, but only at myself! ), but I do have to say
>>>> that some of what follows after the dream "feels to me like" the beginning
>>>> of Ulysses.  Felt so my first reading and has every time since.
>>>> 
>>>> I cannot figure out why, though -- and the why is what matters.
>>>> 
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>>>>> On March 16, 2016 6:37:02 AM Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Distinct feeling of Mulligan at Ulysses opening now that you mention it.
>>>>> Wholly changed but in comic tone and meaning
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 4:02 AM, Ian Livingston <igrlivingston at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And the first rebirth is a Pirate, followed by Bloat.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> “There are proceedings of such a delicate nature that it is well to
>>>>>> overwhelm them with coarseness and make them unrecognisable; there are
>>>>>> actions of love and of extravagant magnanimity after which nothing can be
>>>>>> wiser than to take a stick and thrash the witness soundly…“ Nietzsche, BG&E,
>>>>>> 29.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And what is Pirate‘s relation to Buck Mulligan and Stephen Dedalus,
>>>>>> anyway?
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