NP Brasil

[rich]

from what i've read the corruption re; Petrobas has not stopped under Lula
and Dilma.

you sure dont give poor people credit for thinking for themselves do you?
being led by their noses by faceless elites. I dont buy it.







On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 8:01 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:

> An excellent point.
> However, the fact that the protests are largely organized and funded
> by the elite, including the powerful elite outside the country who are
> desperate to get their greedy fingers on the resources of the nation
> and to put an end to one of the most successful efforts to support the
> poor, the landless, and the rights of the indigenous peoples calls for
> a closer examination of the protest objectives and its composition.
> That photograph of the wealthy white couple and the nanny has become a
> symbol of the need for such scrutiny. The PT, as the article points
> out, has a very loyal electorate, mostly poor and powerless and darker
> in complexion. The poor have hammered by the press, the government
> programs that helped to lift 50 million from abject poverty have been
> demonized by the rich, the affluent and their constituency, by the
> churches, by the business classes and even by the Vice president, who
> is, by strange workings of politics, not of the PT party. That the
> protesters embrace the prosecution of elites and of corrupt
> politicians is a common ground, but that they reject Lula/Dilma work
> to support the poorest members of the society must be analyzed and
> debated.
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
> >
> >> None of this is a defense of PT. Both because of genuine widespread
> >> corruption in that party and national economic woes, Dilma and PT are
> >> intensely unpopular among all classes and groups, even including the
> party’s
> >> working-class base. But the street protests — as undeniably large and
> >> energized as they have been — are driven by those who are traditionally
> >> hostile to PT. The number of people participating in these protests —
> while
> >> in the millions — is dwarfed by the number (54 million) who voted to
> >> re-elect Dilma less than two years ago. In a democracy, governments are
> >> chosen by voting, not by displays of street opposition — particularly
> where,
> >> as in Brazil, the protests are drawn from a relatively narrow societal
> >> segment. <
> >
> > When millions are marching the streets it's not nothing, yet a strong
> > manifestation of democracy. And while it's true that in parliamentarism
> > "governments are chosen by voting", the democratic possibilities of the
> > people, as the subject of the constituent power, can never be reduced to
> > taking part in elections and plebiscites. As Carl Schmitt says: The
> people
> > are an immediately present and real entity.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "Nach der demokratischen Lehre von der verfassungsgebenden Gewalt des
> Volkes
> > steht das Volk als Träger der verfassungsgebenen Gewalt außer und über
> jeder
> > verfassungsgesetzlichen Normierung. Wenn ihm verfassungsgesetzlich
> gewisse
> > Zuständigkeiten (Wahlen und Abstimmungen) übertragen werden, ist damit
> seine
> > politische Handlungsmöglichkeit in einer Demokratie keineswegs erschöpft
> und
> > erledigt. Neben allen solchen Normierungen bleibt das Volk als
> unmittelbar
> > anwesende - nicht durch vorher umschriebene Normierungen, Geltungen und
> > Fiktionen vermittelte - wirkliche Größe vorhanden."
> >
> > Carl Schmitt: Verfassungslehre [1928], § 18,  p. 242, Berlin 1993:
> Duncker &
> > Humblot.
> >
> >
> > On 18.03.2016 21:16, ish mailian wrote:
> >
> >
> https://theintercept.com/2016/03/18/brazil-is-engulfed-by-ruling-class-corruption-and-a-dangerous-subversion-of-democracy/
> > -
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> >
> >
> >
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