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On Sun, Mar 20, 2016 at 12:46 PM, rich <richard.romeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> from what i've read the corruption re; Petrobas has not stopped under Lula
> and Dilma.
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> you sure dont give poor people credit for thinking for themselves do you?
> being led by their noses by faceless elites. I dont buy it.
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> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 8:01 AM, ish mailian <ishmailian at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> An excellent point.
>> However, the fact that the protests are largely organized and funded
>> by the elite, including the powerful elite outside the country who are
>> desperate to get their greedy fingers on the resources of the nation
>> and to put an end to one of the most successful efforts to support the
>> poor, the landless, and the rights of the indigenous peoples calls for
>> a closer examination of the protest objectives and its composition.
>> That photograph of the wealthy white couple and the nanny has become a
>> symbol of the need for such scrutiny. The PT, as the article points
>> out, has a very loyal electorate, mostly poor and powerless and darker
>> in complexion. The poor have hammered by the press, the government
>> programs that helped to lift 50 million from abject poverty have been
>> demonized by the rich, the affluent and their constituency, by the
>> churches, by the business classes and even by the Vice president, who
>> is, by strange workings of politics, not of the PT party. That the
>> protesters embrace the prosecution of elites and of corrupt
>> politicians is a common ground, but that they reject Lula/Dilma work
>> to support the poorest members of the society must be analyzed and
>> debated.
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>> On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Kai Frederik Lorentzen
>> <lorentzen at hotmail.de> wrote:
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>> >> None of this is a defense of PT. Both because of genuine widespread
>> >> corruption in that party and national economic woes, Dilma and PT are
>> >> intensely unpopular among all classes and groups, even including the
>> >> party’s
>> >> working-class base. But the street protests — as undeniably large and
>> >> energized as they have been — are driven by those who are traditionally
>> >> hostile to PT. The number of people participating in these protests —
>> >> while
>> >> in the millions — is dwarfed by the number (54 million) who voted to
>> >> re-elect Dilma less than two years ago. In a democracy, governments are
>> >> chosen by voting, not by displays of street opposition — particularly
>> >> where,
>> >> as in Brazil, the protests are drawn from a relatively narrow societal
>> >> segment. <
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>> > When millions are marching the streets it's not nothing, yet a strong
>> > manifestation of democracy. And while it's true that in parliamentarism
>> > "governments are chosen by voting", the democratic possibilities of the
>> > people, as the subject of the constituent power, can never be reduced to
>> > taking part in elections and plebiscites. As Carl Schmitt says: The
>> > people
>> > are an immediately present and real entity.
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>> > "Nach der demokratischen Lehre von der verfassungsgebenden Gewalt des
>> > Volkes
>> > steht das Volk als Träger der verfassungsgebenen Gewalt außer und über
>> > jeder
>> > verfassungsgesetzlichen Normierung. Wenn ihm verfassungsgesetzlich
>> > gewisse
>> > Zuständigkeiten (Wahlen und Abstimmungen) übertragen werden, ist damit
>> > seine
>> > politische Handlungsmöglichkeit in einer Demokratie keineswegs erschöpft
>> > und
>> > erledigt. Neben allen solchen Normierungen bleibt das Volk als
>> > unmittelbar
>> > anwesende - nicht durch vorher umschriebene Normierungen, Geltungen und
>> > Fiktionen vermittelte - wirkliche Größe vorhanden."
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>> > Carl Schmitt: Verfassungslehre [1928], § 18,  p. 242, Berlin 1993:
>> > Duncker &
>> > Humblot.
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>> > On 18.03.2016 21:16, ish mailian wrote:
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>> > https://theintercept.com/2016/03/18/brazil-is-engulfed-by-ruling-class-corruption-and-a-dangerous-subversion-of-democracy/
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