Tangentially Pynchon. see today's Google Doodle

[David Morris]

I have no idea what that statement means, but I do know that I am far more
versed with Jane Jacob's ideals than you.  But call in anarchism if that
floats your boat.

David Morris

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> I repeat.....many see it as that lost strand of anarchism which history
> has buried. We differ on meanings to anarchism as recent posts show, so it
> be.
>
> I align behind ALL THOSE who see that anarchist's dance from Lot 49 and
> non-violent anarchism in Against the Day ( NOT the parody of anarchism as a
> GAME) as akin to her urban vision. Or vice versa.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 4, 2016, at 5:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> To champion grass-roots  social-based urbanism (championing "urban
> villages," essentially) as opposed to the modernist urban renewal ideals of
> her time, doesn't make her in any way anarchistic.  She was opposed to
> Modernism's ideals for urbanism.  It has now long been recognized that her
> concepts of an organic people-oriented urbanism is much more livable than
> what she opposed.  Essentially she was pointing out that the ghettos that
> were being torn down were much more livable that the Pruitt-Igoe style
> urbanism that was being proposed to replace it.  She was right.  Labeling
> that stance as "anarchism" is silly and misses the main ideas she promoted.
>
> This (Pruitt-Igoe) is what she opposed:
>
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-high-rise-urban-america-history-cities
>
> And the earlier city which surrounds the project (which was not the
> product of anarchy in any meaningful sense - except as opposed to
> Pruitt-Igoe)  in the photo is what she championed.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> There is a deep strain of human-sized, freedom-embracing, non-top-down,
>> self-organizing activities which
>> have been written about even here as 'anarchism'. See the anarchist dance
>> in Lot 49.
>>
>> Jacob's vision of city life has been seen under these concepts by many
>> for a long time: Here is the estimable
>> Richard Sennet for one: As Jane Jacobs points out, high concentration of
>> dwelling units per acre and high land coverage are essential to the ...
>> 1969), and the appreciative review by Richard Sennett, “The Anarchism of Jane
>> Jacobs,” New York Review of Books ...
>>
>> There are scores more which I am not hunting down. it is her vision of
>> urban living, and parts of mumford's which might relate
>> them to Pynchon and are what I was referring to.
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Jane Jacobs was in no way connected to anarchism, but, like Mumford, she
>>> was a proponent of urban living, as are most architects just about
>>> anywhere...
>>>
>>> David Morris
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> about urban theorist Jane Jacobs. Read up and see that
>>>> she shared many notions with Lewis Mumford, discussed a lot
>>>> here on the List. Her ideas of a vibrant diverse 'anarchic' street
>>>> and storefront life might dovetail with many of P's meanings of
>>>> anarchic goodness.
>>>>
>>>> Remember that she lived in Greenwich Village, near Barthelme (therefore
>>>> Pynchon) I believe and Grace Paley and her husband
>>>> most of the time TRP was supposed to have
>>>> lived there. I think.
>>>>
>>>> Everything connects.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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