Tangentially Pynchon. see today's Google Doodle

[David Morris]

How many places have you found that phrase, and how is it used?  Unless you
can go there, your "others" aren't of much use or authority.

David Morris

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes you are, I know, as my last post acknowledged. I may perhaps be more
> versed in historic meanings of anarchism than you are, if that's the game.
>
> I invoke others more famous and often more right than either of us re "
> anarchism in her vision"
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 4, 2016, at 5:44 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have no idea what that statement means, but I do know that I am far more
> versed with Jane Jacob's ideals than you.  But call in anarchism if that
> floats your boat.
>
> David Morris
>
> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I repeat.....many see it as that lost strand of anarchism which history
>> has buried. We differ on meanings to anarchism as recent posts show, so it
>> be.
>>
>> I align behind ALL THOSE who see that anarchist's dance from Lot 49 and
>> non-violent anarchism in Against the Day ( NOT the parody of anarchism as a
>> GAME) as akin to her urban vision. Or vice versa.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 4, 2016, at 5:13 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> To champion grass-roots  social-based urbanism (championing "urban
>> villages," essentially) as opposed to the modernist urban renewal ideals of
>> her time, doesn't make her in any way anarchistic.  She was opposed to
>> Modernism's ideals for urbanism.  It has now long been recognized that her
>> concepts of an organic people-oriented urbanism is much more livable than
>> what she opposed.  Essentially she was pointing out that the ghettos that
>> were being torn down were much more livable that the Pruitt-Igoe style
>> urbanism that was being proposed to replace it.  She was right.  Labeling
>> that stance as "anarchism" is silly and misses the main ideas she promoted.
>>
>> This (Pruitt-Igoe) is what she opposed:
>>
>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/cities/2015/apr/22/pruitt-igoe-high-rise-urban-america-history-cities
>>
>> And the earlier city which surrounds the project (which was not the
>> product of anarchy in any meaningful sense - except as opposed to
>> Pruitt-Igoe)  in the photo is what she championed.
>>
>> David Morris
>>
>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> There is a deep strain of human-sized, freedom-embracing, non-top-down,
>>> self-organizing activities which
>>> have been written about even here as 'anarchism'. See the anarchist
>>> dance in Lot 49.
>>>
>>> Jacob's vision of city life has been seen under these concepts by many
>>> for a long time: Here is the estimable
>>> Richard Sennet for one: As Jane Jacobs points out, high concentration
>>> of dwelling units per acre and high land coverage are essential to the ...
>>> 1969), and the appreciative review by Richard Sennett, “The Anarchism
>>>  of Jane Jacobs,” New York Review of Books ...
>>>
>>> There are scores more which I am not hunting down. it is her vision of
>>> urban living, and parts of mumford's which might relate
>>> them to Pynchon and are what I was referring to.
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:12 PM, David Morris <fqmorris at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jane Jacobs was in no way connected to anarchism, but, like Mumford,
>>>> she was a proponent of urban living, as are most architects just about
>>>> anywhere...
>>>>
>>>> David Morris
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Mark Kohut <mark.kohut at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> about urban theorist Jane Jacobs. Read up and see that
>>>>> she shared many notions with Lewis Mumford, discussed a lot
>>>>> here on the List. Her ideas of a vibrant diverse 'anarchic' street
>>>>> and storefront life might dovetail with many of P's meanings of
>>>>> anarchic goodness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember that she lived in Greenwich Village, near Barthelme
>>>>> (therefore
>>>>> Pynchon) I believe and Grace Paley and her husband
>>>>> most of the time TRP was supposed to have
>>>>> lived there. I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything connects.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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